Anti-EU left: “Tories not in charge … not the most evil ones”

May 9, 2016 at 5:42 pm (Beyond parody, Europe, Jim D, plonker, stalinism)

Above: Arron Banks: on the Trade Unionists Against the EU website

Doug Nicholls, chair of Trade Unionists Against the EU (whose website features Ukip’s Arron Banks), writes in the Morning Star:

‘Don’t believe the hype; the Tories are not in charge and not the most evil ones. They work to the directives and treaties of the EU and base their budgets on the EU austerity agenda and stability and “growth” pact. This has already created the world’s lowest-growth area and flattened collective bargaining’.

8 Comments

  1. Steven Johnston said,

    “The tories are not in charge…”. Well that much is true! So it would not matter who is at the head of this organisation, saints or sinners, they don’t control what happens to Britain if we leave the EU.

  2. Steven Johnston said,

    Odd that the Morning Star love Corbyn, given that he wants to stay in the EU. As for this nonsense about building an economy that will benefit the 99% how are they going to do that?

  3. Rilke said,

    Why comment? If it does ‘not matter’ to capitalism what political parties do, why would any person living under that system give a monkey’s fuck about what Steven Johnson writes?
    You render your own assertions worthless by virtue of their own claims to be correct. If your claims about being ‘pointless’ are correct, taken as a proposition, then your comments are equally worthless; if your comments are in any way meaningful, then your propositional claims cannot be logically correct.
    “Ponder thereon.”

    • Glasgow Working Class said,

      Your comment is pathetic. The left and pretend commies were against the Common Market. What has changed that Labour is now for this corrupt anti democratic gravy train. The human being is being devoured in this mafia organisation.

  4. Rilke said,

    In terms of writing, designating a passage or statement as ‘pathetic’ is a term of praise; implying strong or truthful enough to move to pity or tears. In the more modern sense and use of term, ‘pathetic’ can only be applied to a person’s actual behaviour or acts. People can be ‘pathetic’ or their actions can be ‘pathetic’.
    I write this for Mr Glasgow, in defence of understanding and clarity. There was a time when being a socialist meant not only being ‘against the capitalist system’ and against racism and sexism; it also meant that these positions had come about due to a clear and critical understanding that ‘society’ as such, could not flourish under such a system.This ‘understanding’ was always based on the twin pillars of dedicated critical learning or insight coupled to ethical outrage at the injustices of said system. Yet, ethical judgement and critical understanding seem utterly lacking in some who write here. The rhetoric of praise and blame is part of the poltical sphere for sure, but it is not the basis for being a socialist. Any poltical stance can use praise and blame, fascists are very good at it.

  5. Steven Johnston said,

    The most important question for the working class to consider is not the European Union but the ownership of the means of production and distribution. Under, raw resources, factories, transport and communication systems and distribution depots are all used for the purpose of making profits. This is the case inside and out of the EU as capitalism is a Worldwide system. At the heart of capitalism is the profit motive, not the meeting of human need.

    If Britain left or stayed in the European Union, the profit system, which only enriches a minority capitalist class at the expense of the working class majority, will remain intact. Nothing would change. The question should be over the ownership of the means of production and distribution and for what purpose can be put another way – capitalism or socialism?

    I accept that requires a bit more critical understanding that a bit of pointless political gossip on who is in charge of the leave campaign.

  6. Rilke said,

    By your own admission, you comment is ‘pointless’. In terms of your self defeating logic, your comment will have no impact whatsoever on the ownership of the means of production and/or the distribution of surpluses. Perhaps parody is more your line and we are all missing the irony, but somehow I doubt it.

    • Steven Johnston said,

      I just don’t believe in hoodwinking the working class. I leave that up to radicals who sell the lie that in/out of the EU, the workers will be better/worse off than they are now.

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