Stop The War cannot tell the difference between fascism and anti-fascism

December 4, 2015 at 9:22 pm (apologists and collaborators, fascism, Jim D, labour party, Middle East, Stop The War, Unite the union, wankers)

Corbyn must now break all links with this scum

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The rotten, foul-smelling half-alive corpse that is the Stop The War Coalition, has finally crossed the line: these scum cannot tell the difference between fascism and anti-fascism. They’ve just put up on their website, an article by one Matt Carr, that includes the following:

“Benn does not even seem to realize that the jihadist movement that ultimately spawned Daesh is far closer to the spirit  of internationalism and solidarity that drove the International Brigades than Cameron’s bombing campaign – except that the international jihad takes the form of solidarity with oppressed Muslims, rather than the working class or the socialist revolution.”

How much lower can this filthy organisation sink? Its time for those unions (like Unite) who finance this organisation to withdraw all financial and political support. And Jeremy Corbyn should now break all links with this scum.

 

27 Comments

  1. Scott Reeve said,

    He should form Labour against the war if he has not done so already

  2. Steven Johnston said,

    Well, in fairness he did say they don’t have solidarity with the working class & the socialist revolution. I suppose it’s true, even fascism can & is internationalist in outlook. They are trying to show solidarity with oppressed muslims, that is how they recruit them to their cause. But, if he is saying that is a good thing then he is clearly fucked up.

  3. Glasgow Working Class said,

    I think that article if genuine is supporting terrorism and should be passed onto the police. I am shocked to hear Unite support this lot. Anything Corbyn does is not a surprise.

    • Graham B said,

      The NUT supports STWc too.

  4. Rilke said,

    Apart from the moronic claims to ‘internationalism’ that is utterly out of context when applied to a politicized theocratic moment (the Vatican claims to be internationalist and is in many ways, and Catholicism means ‘universal’) the author is obviously either being deliberately misleading or utterly thick. IS are killing Muslims by the thousand, these are Shi’ah Muslims and these Muslims flee from Sunni IS as their deadly enemies (Shi’ah Iran has fighters in Syria fighting IS largely to advance their own Shi’ah and strategic interests). How is IS therefore showing ‘solidarity with Muslims? This Carr fellow is either unaware of the two branches of Islam and of current events and so is a complete ignoramus, or he agrees with IS that Shi’ahs are not true ‘Muslims’ and he is therefore politically insane.

    • Political Tourist said,

      Think the Yanks and their allies the Brits included have killed Muslims in their thousands.

      • Glasgow Working Class said,

        Muslims have killed a few muslims and others. Whats wrong Pt is it only Irish Republicans that are allowed tae kill. You do not want others wading in on the act. Selfish person you are.

  5. tom george said,

    That is indeed a fairly ridiculous quote, but personally I dislike the language you are using which just contributes to impression that the left is fighting amongst itself, as usual. You don’t have to resort to words like ‘scum’ and ‘foul-smelling, half-alive corpse’ to put your point across.

    • Lamia said,

      Words like ‘scum’ and ‘foul-smelling’ are perfectly appropriate to describe and attempt to equate sadistic creatures who have inflicted torture, slavery, persecution and murder on numerous minorities, as ISIS have, with the International Brigades who fought against fascism.

      STWC are revolting, and Corbyn’s association with them indefensible. and he’s the leader of the Labour Party, for fuck’s sake. Today’s left should be thoroughly ashamed at how low they have sunk. Attlee and co would hold them in contempt.

      • Glasgow Working Class said,

        They are not left. They are left fascists. The old world and politics have gone. The old left are gone the new left support head loppers. Who would have thought.

  6. Rilke said,

    I do not understand your point Political Tourist. You seem to be saying that if one political grouping or state kills say, ten thousand innocent people and a rival political movement kills only eight thousand, then rather than denounce and fight against politically or theocratically motivated murder as such, the left should support or act as apologists for those that murderer ‘less’ numbers of people. You can of course, simply say that those that massacre ‘less’ are in fact not guilty at all and that the murders are either false flag operations or that the people killed really deserved it. This is the current SWP and STWC, Left Unity and such position. Such a ‘position’ though is not really a political position at all – it is deluded to the point of insanity.

    • Political Tourist said,

      Anyway, how are we getting on deselecting rightwing Labour MPs?

  7. Sue r said,

    Can anyone confirm for me that the reports of human slaughterhouses in jehadists contoled areas including the Balkans, are CIA Zionist lies.

    • Lamia said,

      I’m sure that if you really seek such ‘confirmation’, Sue, you can find it on a variety of crank sites.

      Easier still, just tell yourself that it is so, because after all, it’s the kind of ‘smear’ those Jews and Americans would make up against the principled internationalists of ISIS. You’ll find plenty of comrades agreeing with you.

  8. ianmichael43 said,

    Your link to their page doesn’t go to the article (maybe they’ve removed it?!) – any chance you could put in a
    link to it?
    Agree that what you’ve quoted is preposterous!!!

    • John R said,

      Matt Carr’s piece can still be found on his own website (see link). He’s also written a response to the reaction.

      Part of me wonders if the Stoppers were “testing the water” regarding Isis. Stick an article on their website subtly pushing the idea of Isis, in a very perverted way, representing the Oppressed Muslims. A bad reaction, then pull the article.

      Does it mean though that with greater UK involvement there might be a more “sophisticated ” view of Isis? “Well, we have to see that Isis is a catch all phrase used by the imperialists. We must support the progressive side of opposing imperialism while, of course, condemning the excesses. There are different forces fighting imperialism and we cannot stand aside if we wish to influence the movement.”

      In other words, degenerate “social fascism”. Use the language of socialism and anti imperialism while, in reality, sucking up to a fascist ideology because that’s where the action is.

      http://infernalmachine.co.uk/mr-benn-goes-a-bombing/

      • Lamia said,

        I think it very probably is ‘testing the water’ as you suggest, John. It seems almost incredible, but I can buy that there really are those in STWC who believe that if they keep sending up flares like this, suddenly a large section of hitherto silent public opinion will suddenly speak out loudly and confidently, “You know what, they’ve got a point. From a certain informed perspective, ISIS could legitimately be argued to be a progressive anti-imperialist force.”

        It’s a delusion, of course, but then far left (and far right) politics are founded, first and foremost on the firm delusion that an untapped silent majority secretly agrees with them and is just about to say so any minute now. If they worked according to the empirical facts (that most people are clearly either not interested in what they say or think they are utter wankers), they could not continue. Facing reality would be suicide for the far left.

  9. Jim Denham said,

    I presume they’ve removed it, just like they deleted their initial reaction *Reaping the whirlwind of western interventions” etc) to the Paris massacre.

  10. Jim Denham said,

    The author of that filthy article now tries to defend it. Hole … digging:

    http://infernalmachine.co.uk/my-life-as-a-fascist-sympathizer/#comment-2370

  11. StWC = Corbyn said,

    “Jeremy Corbyn should break all links with this scum”

    …but he won’t – why would he? The hateful Islamist lowlife has been their principle cheerleader for a decade and shares their foul opinions.

    Still, he can always issue some sort of statement distancing himself from ten years of his own repulsive rhetoric, just as he issued a statement suddenly claiming to back a two state solution in Israel/Palestine (though the statement demanded everything of Israel and nothing of the Palestinians and as such wasn’t very far from the StWC bullshit on the subject).

    In fact he can do as he pleases and still rely on your support, can’t he? Just as long as that support is “critical”…in the meantime Jews amongst us can look forward to Corbyn cheering on another Krystalnacht in Stamford Hill, more and more acceptance/excusing of Islamofascist hate preachers and their lobby groups, and a general marginalising of anyone who doesn’t subscribe to his pathetic and revolting “Islam Good/West Bad” ideology.

    Every time you look at the StWC’s policies you are looking at Corbyn’s.

    • Steven Johnston said,

      The above is nonsense written by someone who is not a socialist and does not understand the dialectic. The society we live in shapes the ideas we have and not vice-versa. Perhaps they think that Corbyn’s just woke up one day and thought “ahhh this is a good idea”.
      Perhaps people on this site need to re-read this:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectical_materialism

      Or have we gone back to thinking that “great men” make history?

  12. charliethechulo said,

  13. John R said,

    Guido Fawkes tells us (and it’s been confirmed) that Caroline Lucas has quit as a patron of Stop the War.

    http://order-order.com/2015/12/08/caroline-lucas-quits-stop-the-war/

  14. Stuart King said,

    Worth saying that in the original article Mat Carr says ‘Whether Daesh is fascist or not, it is certainly a savage and dangerous movement which needs to be defeated.”

    I suspect all the sound and fury about this, which was not written or endorsed by Stop the War, is part of the right wing Labour witch-hunt against Corbyn and his supporters. They decided that Momentum and StW were too effective lobbyists against a new imperialist adventure and decided to strike back. Shame that some on the left don’t know when they are being used.

    • Steven Johnston said,

      “Shame that some on the left don’t know when they are being used.”

      Yep, if you work within capitalism it happens 100% of the time. Not just the left though, they system uses everyone.

    • Jim Denham said,

      Bollocks, Stuart! StWC published it on their website. As with the “Reaping the Whirlwind” tweet (also taken down after protests), it represents their true politics, but they’ve removed it for diplomatic reasons. I am not aware that the right wing have used the Carr article – it was certainly not the right who first objected to I, but comrades on the left. No-one here is being “used” – except perhaps people like you.

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