A Great Day for the Irish (from Judy Garland!)

May 23, 2015 at 11:52 pm (civil rights, gay, Human rights, Ireland, LGBT, love, posted by JD)

Somehow, this seems entirely appropriate:

41 Comments

  1. Glesga Keeping Scotland Free From Loonies said,

    Just the Orange Ludge walking down O’Connell Street and Aeery Jdems on trial at the Haig for genocide against the working class. That should finish it. Charlie should have stuck his cup and saucer down the bastards throat and become a prospective King.

  2. Glesga Keeping Scotland Free From Loonies said,

    ROI was neutral during the WAR. TELL THAT TO THE YANKS.

  3. political tourist said,

    Fair play to the voters in the 26 counties.
    The North should catch up in about a 100 years.
    Btw, i wonder if Prince Charlie believes in the Living Wage.

    • Glesga Keeping Scotland Free From Loonies said,

      Why not ask him! How many US soldiers were stationed in NI during World War 2?

    • februarycallendar said,

      Can’t even begin to work out what GKSFLL is on about here.

      As I said on Facebook, the fact that Northern Ireland has not done what both the rest of the UK and the rest of the island of Ireland have done is all down to the imperial longings of the Unionist part of its elite, their everlasting ties to an idea of Anglo-Britishness which most of the English have long moved beyond (Tory Europhobia now comes from somewhere different … more Anglospherism than anything else). It is a sense of betrayal, almost, that modern English culture has let them down, and that those in the Republic no longer want to be their enemies (and therefore take away a crucial part of their identity) through the symbolic reconciliation and healing of the last week.

      I suppose I tend to think of the Northern Ireland Unionists very much as I do of Gibraltarians – people in love with an idea of another place which has long since ceased to be the reality I and most people I know live in that place. I know this is a very stereotypical English Left view; my get-out clause would be that the lives of Mail-reading passive consumers around me, in what might often be called ‘Middle England’, have *also* moved away from the Anglo-Britishness cherished by Ulster Unionists, every bit as much as the lives of Islington types have.

      • Paul Canning (@pauloCanning) said,

        I suspect that Unionist politicians will quickly find that not all of their flock likes being seen as stuck in a timewarp, most obviously young people. One will break from the crowd and soon enough it’ll be like they never thought what they thought, said what they said.

      • damon said,

        You might be right, but I suspect that this is closer to the truth.
        (Warning – it’s Brendan O’Neill).

        The striking thing about the yes camp was its intolerance

        It looks like Ireland has just swaped one kind of tired orthodoxy for another. Now it’s ”bigots” who are the persecuted minority.
        It’s all a bit too show off and trendy for me actually.
        I’m still waiting to be told exactly what the T in LBGT is all about – in proper detail.

        Also, does not being a homophobic bigot rely on a person not finding any aspects of gay culture a bit funny or risible?
        The mainstream of gay nightlife culture of gay venues and even the saunas. Surely it’s OK to smile a bit as you drive past one of these and see the patrons outside on the pavement. Not all of them of course, but some of them are slightly amusing to see. Like all those shaven headed gay blokes in their fifties you see in some Soho pubs.
        It’s probably a bit like if you go to a football match and see a bunch of football hooligans who look the same. Middle aged has-beens who still think they’re up for it. It’s funny.

        What is interesting about this issue has been the lack of real debate.
        It’s more like a class war or culture war where the different sides just goad each other. This has been a feature of politics for a long while now. In the US it shows itself in the loathing that liberal people have for their ”neanderthal” opposites.
        Jon Stewart verses Fox News and the Republicans for example.

      • Paul Canning (@pauloCanning) said,

        That’s just O’Neill being contrarian and provocative. The ‘left’s Katie Hopkins.

        It’s also not a reflection of what happened. The Yes campaign was all about positive and, most strikingly, family. No was all fire and brimstone and downright nasty at times. You have to hunt out people being nasty about the No people, it wasn’t the theme.

  4. damon said,

    Gays and Judy Garland? Isn’t that a homophobic stereotype?
    There is something a bit off about yesterday’s vote and the campaign I think. It was probably in the Irish trying to shake off an inferiority complex.
    And also a bit of a slanted one sided campaign. They opened the courtyard of Dublin Castle for people to await the result yesterday, but it seems that only Yes supporters were welcome. I know that one of my elderly Irish aunts and her husband didn’t vote. Probably because they felt marginalised.
    It doesn’t matter that there was a Yes vote. The world will still go on, but the gay love-in does get a bit boring imo. Watch now how Roscommon and South Leitrim now become the butt of jokes, because they were the only region to pass a majority No vote. The whole thing does strike me as being politics when there aren’t really any politics worth engaging with.
    So we hoover up all the cultural issues and look inwards.
    Low hanging fruit -so to speak.

    And Gerry Adams getting involved is pretty horrible to watch.
    He now wants to bash Unionists with ”their bigotry”.

    • Glesga Keeping Scotland Free From Loonies said,

      Has Adams ever done anything that was good to watch! I did find it strange that a country has to have a vote on basic human rights although it is good to see the fascist Catholic Church being kicked into touch. Gives you a bit of faith in the human race.

      • Steven Johnston said,

        I’m confused, are lefties allowed to bash the fascist Catholic Church?

        Meanwhile over in the Islamic World, they still hang gays. But that is probably a cultural and not a religious issue.

      • Paul Canning (@pauloCanning) said,

        It will have global impact. Read reactions from global south lgbt activists.

    • februarycallendar said,

      You’re a happy soul, aren’t you?

      (I don’t normally use sarcastic one-liners like that, but you know.)

    • Paul Canning (@pauloCanning) said,

      To answer your first question, and speaking for the gaystapo, we’ll live :]

      And Damon, am a bit sick of being described as a ‘cultural’ issue when the ‘issues’ are real and everyday as much as (and, doh, related to) economics, homelessness, health etbloodycetera.

      • damon said,

        You might not be a cultural issue, but politics is.
        And all this ”equality” stuff is politics.
        I’m not that fussed one way or the other about ”equal marriage” – but it’s changed what marriage is. I can’t see the reason for also not recognising a marriage with three or more people in it either really.
        Surely it discriminates against those kinds of families. Which wife is recognised when a Saudi prince with four wives comes to the UK?
        Or a Syrian refugee with two?

        I tried to do a link above, to a Brendan O’Neill piece in the Irish Independent yesterday, but I don’t think it worked.
        This one:
        http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/referendum/the-striking-thing-about-the-yes-camp-was-its-intolerance-31248496.html

  5. Glesga Keeping Scotland Free From Loonies said,

    More to do with religion methinks. It is organised stupidity.

  6. political tourist said,

    Some of us of a certain age can remember the SNP having a pretty open anti catholic tendency in it.
    Probably why the Labour Party held the Catholic vote until a few years ago.
    The referendum in Ireland shows how quickly old certainties can brake down in what seems almost overnight.

    • februarycallendar said,

      Indeed – it used to be that support for independence was pretty marginal because Protestants clung to the Union for their own reasons, Catholics thought the SNP would create a sort of ethnically pure Protestant state (and so contrasted it, as a counter-revolutionary cause, with Irish nationalism) and relatively few Scots felt themselves part of neither tradition.

      Now, many more Scots are secular and separate from the old traditions and, partially because of the changed circumstances in Ireland (even if I do still think Scottish independence could risk destabilising those severely), many more Catholics support independence. If Glasgow could vote 53% Yes, and considering that most Rangers fans must have been Noes, the Celtic fans’ vote must have been a dramatic reflection of this change (as must the Asian vote, in terms of the SNP’s move away from ethnic nationalism which might have reduced the Yes vote in some rural areas).

  7. political tourist said,

    Just out of curiosity, what is the opposite of a cybernat?
    It seems there are two types of Scottish referendum No supporter on here.
    One group who genuinely believe in the British Labour movement sticking together and trying to help create a better future for working class people.
    Then there’s this sinister element that seems to have been born out the referendum campaign.
    Like a collection of unionist/loyalist/far right types who have found a new cause in SNP bashing.
    The funniest of all is the Sinn Fein lite angle.
    Followed by “let’s build a new Scottish Unionist Party”.

    • februarycallendar said,

      I am firmly and fervently in the former group. I loathe the latter more than pretty much any other faction in UK or Irish politics.

  8. political tourist said,

    Certainly should be an interesting next couple of years on here with a Scottish Labour Party doing it’s Red Clydeside to Morningside gig.
    Plus every right wing space cadet thinking that leaves an open door for them organize in.

    • Glesga Keeping Scotland Free From Loonies said,

      Scotland is a right wing conservative nation. The strange thing is they have an excuse now not to vote conservative. They have the right wing SNP alternative. Previous to that they had Blair. The left in Scotland have always been dormant except for a noisy minority.

      • februarycallendar said,

        Scotland is to the cultural Right of England but not the economic Right. The problem comes when people use the terms as if they were the same in both cases, or even compatible with each other.

  9. political tourist said,

    Best if all us left-wingers just packed it then.
    Scotland could then go back to using electric shock treatment on Gay men.

    • Steven Johnston said,

      Gay men in Scotland? As Delboy, never said “A Scottish hoofter, there’s no such thing, they are all mens men”
      Seriously well done Eire, but what about Northern Ireland? Let’s hope they follow suit and allow same sex marriages.

  10. political tourist said,

    I’d be wary of putting football fans into brackets regarding the independence referendum.
    Jim Murphy, ex labour leader or maybe not, is a Celtic season ticket holder.
    You couldn’t get much more unionist than him.
    Plenty of Rangers fans would have voted YES and voted SNP.

    • februarycallendar said,

      Quite possibly. Posting/observing from a distance as you know.

    • Glesga Keeping Scotland Free From Loonies said,

      Celtic and Rangers fans are equally thick (not all) and vote for what delivers the season ticket and foreign junkets to get pissed and watch! their team at taxpayers expense.

  11. political tourist said,

    The fact that the far right BNP types openly socialize in Rangers pubs probably tells us something.
    Not exactly a secret in Glasgow.
    Thankfully over the years enough Rangers fans were more than happy to keep the Left well informed about the Hitlerites.
    And the BNP membership list came up with the usual suspects.
    Just a bunch of sad losers hanging about the fringes of Ulster Loyalism.
    Sadly elements in Labour facilitated them during the referendum.
    And for that they (Labour) were wiped out.

    • Glesga Keeping Scotland Free From Loonies said,

      So Labour were wiped out because of BNP people hanging around Rangers supporting loyalist pubs. Help ma boab so Labour could have won if they had not hung about loyalist pubs.
      That is as ridiculous as it was Jews hanging around the Twin Towers that brought their downfall.

  12. Political Tourist said,

    Certain elements within the Labour Party (at the highest level) facilitated ex BNP types during the referendum.
    See Anne Begg ex MP and the Aberdeen organiser photo.
    If a Labour MP doesn’t know the local fash then they deserve to be beaten.

    Labour’s hatred of their own voters cost them countless heartland seats.
    Labour in Scotland managed to turn the clock back about 110 years.
    And that’s some parlour trick by any standards.

    • Glesga Keeping Scotland Free From Loonies said,

      Childish thing to say Labour hate their own voters. But not unexpected from a Tory or Nats-sis.

  13. damon said,

    This is good in my opinion, but seen as trolling by a greater majority of people who were enthusiastic about but he Irish referendum result (it seems).

    Yes, Ireland has entered a new era of equality – but not the positive kind.
    http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/the-trouble-with-gay-marriage/17016#.VWYmoChwZpV

    • Glesga Keeping Scotland Free From Loonies said,

      Protestants are what concerns the Papist Irish State. There has always been homosexuals and the Papist Church is entrenched in this but has been in denial although their congregation know exactly what has been going on for centuries.
      Seems to me the Gay mob have been obsessed with their own narrow objectives and not getting rid of the real problem, The Papist Fascist Church… Och Aye.

  14. political tourist said,

    As somebody pointed out recently, the Scottish referendum empowered a great many people to take an interest in politics.
    Sadly it also looks as though the boneheads bigots and racists got a lease of life as well.

  15. Glesga Keeping Scotland Free From Loonies said,

    Actually the referendum in itself had interested people as the turn out showed other than that politics has not changed. The rich will get richer and the SNP will ensure this as have Labour and the Tories. It was the Blair Gov that ridded poverty more than any since Wilson. Less Scottish working class are attending university under SNP rule and this will increase. The NHS waiting times have increased.

  16. political tourist said,

    There’s something mildly amusing about a poster who uses the term “Papist” and gay marriage in the same thread.
    Can time travel be true?
    Or is this the general world view on the fringes of Ulster Loyalism.
    Still, when Tom Harris says it was worth losing almost every Scottish Labour MP to save the Union, it tells me something was rotten to the core in the Labour Party.
    The British State was saving even at the cost of sending the Labour Movement back a 110 years.
    If that ain’t British Nationalism i don’t know what is.

    • Glesga Keeping Scotland Free From Loonies said,

      Do not see what is mildly amusing. Gay Papists want to get married. Keep up PT with what is going on. There is nothing rotten in the Labour Party as they stood by the British working class from all corners of Britain including Papists.

  17. Political Tourist said,

    Certainly be interested to know which Glasgow CLP would tolerate GKSFFL and his “patter”.

  18. Glesga Keeping Scotland Free From Loonies said,

    PT. Labour is a tolerant party.

  19. Political Tourist said,

    Labour is tolerant.
    Maybe that’s why they ended up with one MP in Scotland.
    Even Bridgeton and Larkhall voted out the sitting Labour MP.

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