BDS: from Anti-Zionism to Anti-Semitism

May 29, 2014 at 10:04 pm (anti-semitism, intellectuals, internationalism, Iran, israel, Middle East, palestine, posted by JD, reactionay "anti-imperialism", reblogged, zionism)

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By Gabriel Noah Brahm (at The Times of Israel):

Step by misstep, the faltering BDS (Boycotts, Divestments, Sanctions) movement is stumbling into an abyss of hatred that will soon lead to its rejection by reasonable people everywhere. In fact, at this rate, critics of the campaign to unfairly stigmatize Israel for its supposed lack of “academic freedom” (news to Freedom House, the respected organization giving the Jewish State a laudable rating of 1.5 on a seven point scale, 1 being the freest) will have little more to do than quote BDSers themselves–in order to discredit an extremist ideology that rejects a two-state compromise solution to the Israeli/Palestinian dispute in favor of denying Israel’s right to exist. First, one of its otherwise more intelligent spokespersons, the distinguished political theorist, Corey Robin, of Brooklyn College, is reported by Jonathan Marks, in The Chronicle of Higher Education, as having surprisingly confessed to an undeniable overlap between anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism in the BDS movement:

“You say you’re a left-wing critic of Israel, so I presume you’ve supported some actions against the state. Well, guess what: I bet among those who also support those actions there are people who want the Jews to disappear. “

Next, to make matters worse, the prominent Italian philosopher (and member of the European Parliament), Gianni Vattimo, comes out with the following statement of his own, in a recent book called Deconstructing Zionism–in which, if nothing else, the emeritus professor candidly names names, identifying unabashedly who at least some of Robin’s (and his own) allies and would-be Jew-disappearers, as a matter of fact, happen to include:

For good reasons of international stability, one never dares—or almost never, except in the case of Islamic heads of state like Ahmadinejad—to question the very legitimacy of Israel’s existence…. When Ahmadinejad invokes the end of the State of Israel, he merely expresses a demand that should be more explicitly shared by the democratic countries that instead consider him an enemy.

Yes, the philosophy of BDS embraces the “philosophy” of Iran’s former President, and Holocaust denier, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad–the one who, like Professor Robin, dares to speak the truth. Israel is illegitimate. Its end should therefore be sought.

So! With that bracing reminder. Knowing for sure who at least a couple of BDS’s more recognizable fellow travelers include–a terrorist-sympathizing dictator/puppet who famously threatened to wipe Israel off the map, and a Heideggerian postmodernist who thinks that “democratic countries” above all should give credence to the essential thought behind the Iranian nuclear bomb project–do the opponents of BDS really need to mount arguments in favor of peace and reconciliation instead?

As the preeminent man-of-letters, Edward Alexander, helpfully reminds in a brilliant editorial of just a day ago, Jews Against Themselves: The BDS Movement and Modern Apostasy, it was the courageous German historian Matthias Küntzel who accurately discerned that “Every denial of the Holocaust contains an appeal to repeat it.” Well, Küntzel’s point is to the point, indeed. And furthermore–the point I myself would stress here and now–today the additional link that needs to be made above all is to the analogous denial inherent in the BDS campaign for the delegitimation of Israel as a Jewish and democratic state. For what BDS, Ahmadinejad, Corey Robin, and other leaders of the not-so-stealthy “stealth campaign” to seek to infiltrate the norm of a one-state “bi-nationalism” from-the-river-to-the-sea all seem to forget (including the influential Queer Theorist, Judith Butler, and the anti-Israel activist, Omar Barghouti, who openly proposes to “euthanize” Israel) is that the real tragedy, the true nakba even, of modern Israel’s rebirth is that it came a decade or more too late.

Is rolling the clock back now supposed to help? BDS and its allies–”well, guess what”–want to do just that. Only it’s far too late for that, and the only people they are really hurting with their fantasy of time-travel are the Palestinians themselves. Which is why I join with Abu Mazen in rejecting BDS for the ideological arm of a new kind of terror campaign that it is. For, as Marc H. Ellis also frankly avers in his grotesquely phantastical contribution to Vattimo’s same edited volume,

“At least in the present the very announcement of a process of ending a Jewish State of Israel would probably precipitate a mass exodus of Jewish Israelis to Europe and the United States—if, that is, the borders of the various states would accept millions of Jewish Israelis.”

And “if not”? The ideologists of BDS don’t really care to comment. After all, why should they? Disappearing Jews is what BDS is all about.

H/t: Terry Glavin, via Facebook


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  2. Fed up with your Zionist/racist propaganda posing as leftism said,

    It seems to me that ‘Shiraz Socialism’ is basically some kind of ‘Trotskyist friends of Israel’ front. I don’t want to sound nasty but it seems to be dominated by neo-imperialist ‘Islamophobia’ for want of a better word mixed with abit of neo-Marxist ‘analysis’. Of course, Marx was to some extent imperialist himself e.g. his views on India, but it’s a shame that your bloggers clearly view the Palestinians as 4th class citizens and worthy of, at best, a 2 state solution which gives them only limited access to their state. In other words, dirty Arabs are not entitled to the fruits of their labour, let alone their own country having been displaced by the Zionists with the help of the ‘United Nations’. It’s good to know one’s enemy but I’ve asked many times to be removed from your mailing list. Please respect my wishes and, frankly, rot in hell. And please have some respect for the human species and resist the urge to call yourselves ‘socialist’. Or, in other words, please fuck off! Many thanks.

  3. Jim Denham said,

    “dirty Arabs are not entitled to the fruits of their labour, let alone their own country having been displaced by the Zionists with the help of the ‘United Nations’.

    Who, exactly, are you calling “racist”?

    And try learning something about history.

    And do you really believe that the two state position (which we share with the PLO and Fatah) makes Palestinians “4th class citizens”? If so, there is simply no hope.

    Now please fuck off and feel free to remove yourself from whatever mailing list you happen to be on. I’m certainly not wasting any further time on you.

    • Tamam said,

      First of all, I owe you a big apology. It’s not on to start being ‘base’ and using expletives on these kind of forums. If only I could avoid using the internet when I’ve ‘had a couple’. Of course, the ‘dirty Arabs’ was sarcasm however.

      That said, when you post a blog with a ‘scary looking Hamas terrorist chap’ burning a flag with the Star of David and attach the caption ‘supporters of ‘one state’ and BDS demonstrate in the UK’ you reduce yourselves to the level of the Daily Star and the other tabloids with their Islamophobic agenda (?), for want of a better word. Are you trying to suggest that anyone who would prefer a ‘1 state solution’ and/or BDS Is a flag-burning Hamas supporter? Therefore, although my expletive ridden rant was very regrettable, it is, I would say, to some extent a case of ‘don’t throw stones’….

      Just one more thing, it’s a pretty safe bet that Fatah are only trying in vain to get a 2 state solution because it’s the only one they have any hope of achieving, at least in theory, and even this is becoming more unattainable by the day as you know.

      Speaking of ‘attainability’, although I’ve had this kind of discussion on your blog before, I’m interested to read how you propose attaining any kind of solution which is acceptable to the Palestinians without putting some kind of pressure on the Israeli government and/or economy which is what the BDS campaign is attempting to do as you know, and please don’t say by supporting orchestras of Palestinians and Israelis as one of your ‘comrades’ did.or give me any pie in the sky solutions like the solution being in supporting the Israeli and/or Palestinian trade-union movement or something.

      Btw, I presume in showing this guy burning a flag with the star of David you are trying to suggest he is anti-Semitic (?)This may or may not be the case. Are people who burn US flags anti-American per se or it the ‘foreign policy’ they object to?

      People are people and we are all, I would argue, susceptible to forms of racism, especially if they have not had the benefit of a ‘liberal education’, which doesn’t make it right or good. What I would expect a Socialist blog to do is occasionally, however, is, rather than just demonizing people as terrorist monsters, as used to happen with the IRA for example, accept that there are reasons why some people are attracted to certain very unattractive ‘mindsets’.

      Maybe, even when sober, I shouldn’t comment on your blog. As you can tell, I’m not as clued up as you guys probably are on the relevant issues but at least I know abit more than the average Joe Bloggs, which is, of course, sweet fxxx all. Perhaps that would be an issue worth addressing every now and then i.e. why there is so precious little exposure to ‘the history’ of this particular problem in the mass media(?)

      Time to broaden the agenda? I suspect not, but one lives in hope!

      Cheers and shalom…..

      • Jim Denham said,

        The point about the guy burning the Star of David, is that he’s wearing some sort of headgear marked ‘Hamas’ (which makes him an anti-Semite more or less by definition), and he’s a Brit on a British demo (note the SWP placard). I think it’s entirely fair to identify him with the BDS campaign and the “one state” position, which he undoubtedly holds.

        The only real solution to the I/P situation is working class unity and solidarity between progressive people on both “sides” – yes, I know, easier said than done. But BDS and related campaigns to “delegitimise” Israel do nothing to help bring that about, quite the contrary. And such campaigns also have the effect of stirring up anti-Semitism in Europe and the West. If there was any evidence that such campaigns were of any help to the Palestinians’ struggle for a state alongside Israel, then there might be an argument that stirring up anti-Semitism is a necessary price to be paid: but there isn’t.

    • Fed up with your Zionist/racist propaganda posing as leftism said,

      He’s anti-semitic by definition because he’s pro Hamas? How simplistic. So when Hamas were democratically elected, all the Palestinians who ‘voted’ for them were anti-semitic ‘by definition’? If this is what a so-called Socialist thinks then the chances of a 2 state solution (which is obviously now basically off the agenda of course owing the settlement program etc) are indeed….It’s not even worth finishing that sentence of course. But I wonder whether you would like the 2 state solution to remain nothing but an unattainable ‘dream’ ?

      I’m glad you stand by your misrepresentation (note the sarcasm) of BDS ‘1 state’ supporters. I’m planning to write an article entited ‘Marxists would like to destroy the state’ with a guy from the Red Brigade in front of a picture of Stalin. Maybe not the best comparison but I hope you can see what I’m getting at. That you stand by this, as I say, makes you no better than the ‘tabloid newspapers’ and therefore discredits your organisation I would say.

      As for ‘The only real solution to the I/P situation is working class unity and solidarity between progressive people on both “sides’, who would be the ‘progressive people’ the Palestinian ‘side’. Abbas? You clearly, sadly, have no ‘solution’ to this problem other than some kind of mass revolution. Easier said than done indeed. How about vague, meaningless pie in the sky?. Do you think you could be abit more specific about your ‘2 state solution’? And since I would presume you accept that such a solution would involve a complete sea-change in the whole of Israeli policy and politics, how exactly do you propose this change would be affected? Divestment has worked before. In South Africa it was at least part of the solution. So you’re that this ‘easier said than done’ pie in the sky is preferable to a tried and tested tactic. How will the Israeli govt change if no pressure is put upon it?

      Angry but not pissed, but as I say, don’t throw stones, especially if you’re a Palestinian of course!

      • Zionism Is Not Racism said,

        Ah yes, the Democractically Elected HAMAS. Democractically Elected nine years ago. We should be due more elections any day now, eh?

        Funny how the Far Left are only interested in democratic elections when they result in everlasting victory for religious fascist dictators…

        Just a brief reminder, not that it matters to you – HAMAS were elected to certain parts of the government, not including the police and security services, which they stole from Fatah in a bloodthirsty coup which left an awful lot of mutilated bodies…still, who cares, eh? it’s great that they’ve been elected – they can get on with their preferred pasttimes of shooting homosexuals in the kneecaps and throwing them from tall buildings (they do the same to anyone who’s done business with a Jew – but I’m sure you can justify that one), brutally subjugating women and forcing everyone to be a Muslim. Wonderful!

        The second anyone sides with HAMAS you know for certain they are antisemitic, homophobic, misogynistic scum of the earth.

      • Jim Denham said,

        Q: “Do you think you could be abit more specific about your ’2 state solution’? And since I would presume you accept that such a solution would involve a complete sea-change in the whole of Israeli policy and politics, how exactly do you propose this change would be affected?”

        A: I think the basic outline of a two state solution is well-established (ie a return to pre-’67 borders and where that’s not possible, then a fair exchange of land). It would, indeed, involve something of a “sea change” in Israeli politics, but not such a major one as you might think: a consistent majority of Israelis have polled as being in favour, over many years. Demonising Israel and backing anti-Semitic clerical fascists like Hamas is most definitely *not* the way to achieve this.

        And, by the way, consumer boycotts and disinvestment was *not* what defeated apartheid: it was, first and foremost, the militant black trade union movement.

      • Fed up with your Zionist/racist propaganda posing as leftism said,

        OK. 2 against 1 is not really fair but I meant could you be abit more specific about the way to achieve this ‘2 state solution’ other than ‘working-class solidarity’. Yes I suppose it would be a good idea if there were more elections in Gaza and The West Bank and probably preferable if Hamas did not win. I’m not ‘siding’ with them btw.

        A claim like ‘sanctions had no part in the overthrow of apartheid in South Africa’ requires some evidence. And I note that you apparently still stand by your deliberate misrepresentation of the BDS movement.

        And how, exactly could the Palestinians replicate this ‘trade union militancy’ given the circumstances in which they live.

        Anyway, it strikes me that the ‘Socialism’ of ‘Shiraz Socialist’ and the AWL (?) excludes the Palestinians. The unfairness and unattainability of the a ‘2 state solution’, given the settlement program is one thing, but your unwillingness to support any realistic measures to bring it about suggests that your organisation frankly couldn’t give a flying fxxx about the Palestinians. Such an attitude to me is untenable for a so-called Socialist organisation.

        Btw part of the reason I was so incensed yesterday by your article and remarks is that I’d just seen this film narrated by Alice Walker which I expect you’ve heard of. Doubtless if you did take the time to watch it you’d use some kind of íntellectual gymnastics to show that the Israeli ‘regime’ is in no way as bad as the South African Apartheid regime but there we go.

        Fortunately there are some ‘Socialists’ whose concern for ‘the rights of man’ extend to the Palestinians, otherwise we’d be in an even more ‘hopeless place.

        A couple of quick questions –

        1 Have you ever considered that any ‘solution’ to this problem should be decided by the relevant parties in The Middle-East, rather than being dictated by Westerners (?) like you and me

        2 I’ve asked this question before but it wasn’t answered, but it would be one of those ‘Al Hamdullilah!’ (sp?) moments if you’d answer it honestly. As I’ve said before this blog seems like a kind of ‘Trotskyist friends of Israel’ front. Do you receive any kind of sponsorship and or support from the Zionist lobby?


      • Jim Denham said,

        Q: “1 Have you ever considered that any ‘solution’ to this problem should be decided by the relevant parties in The Middle-East, rather than being dictated by Westerners (?) like you and me

        2 I’ve asked this question before but it wasn’t answered, but it would be one of those ‘Al Hamdullilah!’ (sp?) moments if you’d answer it honestly. As I’ve said before this blog seems like a kind of ‘Trotskyist friends of Israel’ front. Do you receive any kind of sponsorship and or support from the Zionist lobby?”

        A: 1: all the evidence is that a majority of Palestinians (and Isreali Jews) support two states.

        2: Oh yeah, obviously: that’s why I’m personally so wealthy and this blog is so technically sophisticated. It’s also the explanation for our regular attacks on the Israeli government and reblogging of articles by Uri Avnery of Gush Shalom.

        PS: re the AWL. Have you actually read any of their stuff on Israel/Palestine? I provide a link in my reply to Pinkie (below)

      • Fed up with your Zionist/racist propaganda posing as leftism said,

        Without wanting to be bitchy, I haven’t noticed your ‘regular criticism’, or indeed any criticism of ‘the Israeli government’, which obviously operates in a vacuum without any support from ‘bourgeouis’ ‘Western governments, rights.

        Your delight in depriving the Palestinians of their land – check the stats on the pre-1948 ownership of land and Palestinian population before the Palestinians ‘volunteered’ to be ethnically cleansed of their own country – and your lack of support for practical measures to help bring about a ‘2 state solution’. This does indeed suggest that this blog is some kind of ‘Trostskyist friends of Israel’ front. Abit like Bill Maher in the USA, you pretend to be left-wing but there’s a blind-spot when it comes to Palestine, If you’re Palestinian, you have nothing to lose but your chains and your country and dignity…..

        Keep up the ‘good work’ with regards to your tacit support for the settlement program and your attempts to make sure there’s no land to exchange for peace, but if you could stop pretending that you’re ‘Socialists’ you’d do the world a great favour. But that’s not on the agenda, is it?

      • Marxist said,

        I’m planning to write an article entitled ‘Marxists would like to destroy the state’

        I sure as fuck want to. After all that is the point.

    • Fed up with your Zionist/racist propaganda posing as leftism said,

      Btw – what do you think of this? It looks abit ‘anti-Semitic’ to me!

      • Monsuer Jelly More Bounce to the Ounce (Much More Bounce) said,

        the word is ‘antisemitic’. No hyphen innit you clueless fucknuckle.

      • Marxist said,

        One minute its anti-‘Semites’ and next thing you know people are spouting Houston Stuart Chamberlain and de Gobineau … and who is going to clean up the mess? It’s all in the bumps on the head don’t you know?

    • Fed up with your Zionist/racist propaganda posing as leftism said,

      Btw. I guess you’ll note the sarcasm – I suggest opposition to China’s imperialist adventures in Tibet and Taiwan on the grounds that this could stir up anti-Chinese feeling, or supporters of a ‘free’ Kurdistan because it could stir up ill-feeling towards Iraqis and Turks for example.

      So what, exactly, makes ‘jews’ exempt for criticism? For how long do you intend to play the ‘anti-semitic’ card? Is anti-Semiticism a more serious problem than Islamophobia today?

      So many questions, but here’s one simple one – who pays your bills?

      • Monsuer Jelly More Bounce to the Ounce (Much More Bounce) said,

        no such thing as islamophobia. a phantom. does not exist.

      • Simon B said,

        There aren’t campaigns for an independent Tibet or Taiwan which campaign for the abolition of the state of China, the same goes for the Kurds and Turkey (btw, why is the Kurds’ freedom in inverted commas?).
        Despite all your bluster about antisemitism being a ‘card’ played by the ‘evil Zionists’ to silence the brave opponents of Israel, such as you, the question you leave at the end just exposes the fact that an antisemite is exactly what you are (as if that needed confirming) and, what’s worse, a very fuckwitted one at that.
        Let me help you with the basic logic required. Read the following two statements and then tell me if you think they are synonymous:
        “Not all critics of the Israeli government are antisemites.”
        “No critics of the Israeli government are antisemites.”

    • Fed up with your Zionist/racist propaganda posing as leftism said,

      Btw, don’t know if I mentioned it but nobody seems to have commented on ‘Road to Apartheid’ docu-film narrated by Alice Walker.

      Also, to respond to another comment by Simon B I think that ‘Free Tibet’ and Kurdistan campaigners are not attempting to ‘destroy’ either China or Turkey for example.

      No. 1, without going into what you would no doubt claim was not an ‘ethnic cleansing’ of 700,000 odd (correct?) Palestinians in what I gather even Abbas would perceive as a Nabka/catastrophe. Both of those countries have existed far longer than 1948 and their very existence is not based in the ‘displacement’ of 700,000+ people. I could go on but I guess you see where I’m coming from.

      You see, I don’t need to resort to calling my ‘opponents’ racist or Muslimophobic or anything like that. The argument stands up by itself.

      So, in your defence of the indefensible, you”ll have to do better than name-calling and insinuation that those who disagree with you are anti-Semitic and therefore, by implication, somehow sympathetic to the millenia (sp?) long persecution of jews culminating in the death of many millions.

      Must try harder…..

      Btw, sorry about the hyphen!

    • Fed up with your Zionist/racist propaganda posing as leftism said,

      Oh yes. And before some ‘smart alex’ points it out, I shall resist suggesting that 2 state supporters like yourself are racist, unless there is clear evidence, like perhaps the suggestion which you stand by that BDS campaigners are flag-burning terrorists and, by definition, anti-Semitic, even the jewish ones like myself.

      Like I said, you must do better. Dammit, even most Daily Mail columnists would probably be able to see that this is blatant and deliberate misrepresentation!

    • Fed up with your Zionist/racist propaganda posing as leftism said,

      Thank you. I’ll take your failure to respond as an admission that in your defence of the indefensible you don’t have a leg to stand on.


      • Jim Denham said,

        You can take whatever you like as whatever you like: idiot.
        P.S: I don’t have time, or inclination, to comment on every banal post sent here.

        P.P.S: educate yourself and read Avnery’s comments on Two States (link provided immediately above)

    • Fed up with your Zionist/racist propaganda posing as leftism said,

      I’m happy to read the article, but ‘idiot’ is not a particularly helpful response to my page long exposition (or ‘banal post’ depending on how you look at it) on why you should be able to make your arguments without resorting to suggesting the other side is antisemitic. This is irrelevant to the what the best solution would be to this problem. I could, equally, go around accusing everyone who disagrees with me on this issue as being ‘Muslimophobic’ but I don’t because it’s irrelevant, and I believe my position is strong enough, even though I may not be the best at expressing it, that I don’t need to get sidetracked into what prejudices my ‘opponents’ may or may not have.

      Sorry if that was too banal….

      Btw, I attended a meeting of BDS supporters this evening and they confirmed that they agree with my ‘radical position’ that the nature of any solution to this particular problem should be decided by the Israelis and Palestinians, therefore they are not, by definition ‘one-state campaigners’. Therefore this is another example of, presumably deliberate, misrepresentation on this blog.

      Have you ever considered that it might not be for the likes of you or me to decide what the correct solution should be to a conflict involving 2 ‘foreign’ (presumably?) peoples?

      Oh, and btw, to ‘Smart Alec’ – if someone makes a mistake with their syntax it isn’t necessarily a reason to take the mick. I would have thought a ‘Shiraz Socialist’ wouldn’t need to be told this, but sadly it’s another case or elitism or classism on a supposedly Socialist blog.


    • Trying my patience out said,

      Btw, I just read the article. He states that a 1 state solution is an oxymoron without really explaining why. Although the problem was not so intractable, there was a one-state solution of sorts to the conflicts In Northern Ireland and South Africa. 2 people live in that land but don’t share it. My proposal is that they do. If anything such a solution is ‘generous’ to the Israelis given the history of this problem and the way the state of Israel was set up.

      That said, apparently, as you say Israeli Palestinians have said that they are opposed to a ‘1 state solution’. Although the reliability of this data is in some doubt, it is important. Like I say, this issue is for the Israelis or Palestinians to sort out, but it is fairly clear I would have thought to anyone with a modicum of common sense that this will never happen unless some pressure is put on the government of the occupying power.

      Explaining why people who oppose your views are ‘foolish and/or nasty’ does not a constitute particularly robust defence. Perhaps, as I say, you should try debating the actual issues, rather than the motivations of your opponents (?)

    • Trying my patience out said,

      Hi Mr Denham,

      What do you think of these ‘antisemites’?

    • Trying out my patience said,

      Dear Mr Denham,

      Cat got your tongue again? I know you don’t have time and inclination to respond to my page long explanations of why the motivations of those who disagree with you is, erm, beside the point, but I can’t help also wondering why your blog never, seemingly, comments on situations like this?

      That’s why I can’t help wondering who the paymaster is. I’m sure it wouldn’t be beyond Mossad to start a blog pushing the anti-land for peace agenda posing as some kind of perverted form of ‘Marxism’, after all, where did they find the truly vile Bill Maher?

      Silly me, it’s probably just another ‘antisemitic’ conspiracy theory, but I can’t help remembering the good old days when ‘Socialism’ was connected with anti-imperialism and equal rights for all peoples

    • Trying out my patience said,

      Sorry, I forgot the link. Will the SS blog ever comment on situations like this?

    • Trying out my patience said,

      Some of my posts are OTT. I’ll try to refrain from posting here again!

  4. Zionism Is Not Racism said,

    By way of balance, I just wanted to let you know what a relief it is to read sensible, non-hysterical articles about Israel/Palestine from a socialist perspective.

    As a fervent believer in a two state solution, and as someone with broadly leftish views who is sick to death of the hypocritical and unfair demonisation of Israel and all things Israeli from significant sections of the Left, I am grateful for the regular doses of common sense posted on this blog.

    Long may you continue to provide an excellent, articulate counterblast to drivel like “Socialist Unity”.

  5. Pinkie said,

    Oh deary deary me, here we go again. Come on Mr Denham,lets hear something other than the ‘Times of Israel’. I am led to believe that the AWL is a marxist party, lets hear a marxist analysis of the situation,not the reproduction of daily paper opinions.

  6. Jason Schulman (@PartyOfANewType) said,

    I’ll take the analysis of a democratic socialist like Corey Robin over that of a Likudnik like Edward Alexander any day of the week, thanks.

  7. Marxist said,

    This is all so tedious btw. ALL states are illegitimate and racist.

    • Babs said,

      Reminded me of the pale blue dot quote by the late Carl Sagan in reference to the photograph of Earth taken by the Voyager 1 spacecraft 3.7 billion miles away.

      “Look again at that dot. That’s here. That’s home. That’s us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every “superstar,” every “supreme leader,” every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there-on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.

      The Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of this pixel on the scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner, how frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that, in glory and triumph, they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot.

      Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the Universe, are challenged by this point of pale light. Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves.

      The Earth is the only world known so far to harbor life. There is nowhere else, at least in the near future, to which our species could migrate. Visit, yes. Settle, not yet. Like it or not, for the moment the Earth is where we make our stand.

      It has been said that astronomy is a humbling and character-building experience. There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another, and to preserve and cherish the pale blue dot, the only home we’ve ever known.”

  8. Marxist said,

    My being habitually banned and thinking Denham and RB are about as much use as a chocolate fireguard notwithstanding, some things really get on my wick. One thing is the obsession with ‘funding’, as if it actually costs anything but people’s free time to post bollox on a free blog-hosting site, and the omnipresence of Mossad/CIA/MI5 conspiracy theories. I mean why use a site half a dozen people read, when you have any number of friendly mass media outlets to push it 24 hours a day?

  9. Rosie said,

    @Trying my etc

    Jim Denham is on hols at the moment, on a luxury cruise paid for by Mossad and the Zionist Entity, so cannot answer those important points you have raised.

    Please accept our apologies and thank you for your patience.

    • Monsuer Jelly More Bounce to the Ounce (Much More Bounce) said,

      Comments from this commenter are deleted unread.

    • Trying out my patience said,

      Dear Marxist,

      I’m not in the mood to mince words. With all due respect, the anti-Palestinian bias of the media and presence of despicable excuses for human beings like Bill Maher on whatever US network it is suggest that, for whatever reason – hopefully I don’t have to finish that sentence as the ‘pro-Zionist’ agenda of the media is patently clear to anyone who cares to look into it.

      Conspiracy theory? What’s wrong with ‘conspiracy theories’ anyway. Conspiracy theories – and theories is what they are, are often backed up considerable evidence and are ‘concocted’ by those who are not so naive as to believe everything they read, which I ‘naively’ thought would include the so-called Shiraz ‘socialists’.

      It’s common-sense that the secret services of our ‘greatest allies’, Israel and the US would work in cahoots, so not so much a ‘conspiracy theory’ as a common-sense theory.

      And I accept that a blog is free, but the presence of Mr Bill Maher suggests that this blog may well be a Zionist front, and it wouldn’t therefore surprise me to hear that the wonderful Mr Denham is enjoying an all-expenses paid visit to the dead sea.

      Any more questions, because if you’re going to try sarcasm, you have to be good at it…..

      Don’t believe what you read, especially not on ‘Shiraz Socialist’!

  10. Rosie said,

    It looks like you’re been rumbled, Mr Denham. Did you bring me back that Dead Sea mud that I asked for? It has brilliant rejuvenating powers. The most expensive brand, of course.

  11. Marxist said,

    “the presence of Mr Bill Maher suggests that this blog may well be a Zionist front”



    There’s a difference between a conspiracy and a conspiracy theory, although it’s apparent you don’t know what it is.

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