The situation in Gaza is bad but to compare it to the Holocaust is grotesque. Yasmin Qureshi is right to have apologised

February 7, 2014 at 7:34 pm (anti-semitism, fascism, genocide, history, israel, labour party, Middle East, palestine, posted by JD, reblogged)

By Mark Ferguson, re-blogged from Labour List:

As I rule I try to write about the Middle East only when necessary so as to avoid the black hole into which all online commentary about the that subject inevitably falls. But sometimes someone who should know better says something so completely wrong – and they have to be pulled up on it.

Here’s what Labour MP Yasmin Qureshi said in a Westminster Hall debate:

“What has struck me in all this is that the state of Israel was founded because of what happened to the millions and millions of Jews who suffered genocide. Their properties, homes and land – everything – were taken away, and they were deprived of rights. Of course, many millions perished.

“It is quite strange that some of the people who are running the state of Israel seem to be quite complacent and happy to allow the same to happen in Gaza.”

Now it seems very clear to me that the situation in Gaza, and the hardship faced by so many of those who live there, is harsh. The Palestinian people deserve the right to their own state, and have suffered incredibly for many decades. Cameron once called the Gaza Strip a “prison camp” – that seems an accurate description


But to compare the treatment of people in Gaza to the holocaust is grotesque. Qureshi appears to be comparing the situation in Gaza with the mechanised and industrial extermination of an entire people. No-one who has seen the gas chambers and the ovens of Auschwitz could honestly make such a comparison. No-one who has any knowledge of the mechanical way in which Jews were rounded up, shipped off and murdered in the Holocaust could compare any other form of oppression or repression to that cold, calculated and brutal attempt at extermination.

I’m afraid that however strong your feelings are on the undoubted injustices that the people of Gaza have faced, they are not seeing anything comparable to the holocaust.

Yasmin Qureshi should apologise. And she must do it today.

Update: I’ve had a response from the party – and it’s fair to say I’m not impressed. Here’s what they’ve said:

“These remarks were taken completely out of context. Yasmin Qureshi was not equating events in Gaza with the Holocaust. As an MP who has visited Auschwitz and has campaigned all her life against racism and anti-Semitism she would not do so.”

Except it’s clear from reading the full quote of what Qureshi said (see above) and reading the whole Westminster Hall debate – which we’ve linked to – that Qureshi was making a comparison between the impact of the Holocaust and the situation in Gaza, whether that was her intention or not. Instead of trying to get her off the hook, the Labour Party should be telling Qureshi to apologise.

Update: Yasmin Qureshi has released a statement apologising for any offence caused by her remarks:

“The debate was about the plight of the Palestinian people and in no way did I mean to equate events in Gaza with the Holocaust. 

“I apologise for any offence caused.

“I am also personally hurt if people thought I meant this.

“As someone who has visited the crematoria and gas chambers of Auschwitz I know the Holocaust was the most brutal act of genocide of the 20th Century and no-one should seek to underestimate its impact.”

Qureshi’s apology should draw a line under this, and rightly so. If there was no intention to cause offence or equate events in Gaza with the Holocaust I am happy to accept that. But it’s also a salutary reminder to MPs from all sides of the house – if you’re talking about hugely emotive topics, be careful with your metaphors, and don’t be sloppy with your language…

* H/t: Roger M

* Related posts at Labour List:

  1. The Holocaust was not simply a moment in time
  2. The Holocaust is the clearest warning from history of what happens when we leave prejudice unchecked
  3. As we focus on the horrors of the Nazi Holocaust in Europe – let us also remember what happened in Rwanda
  4. Labour and Gaza: Hamas is not Palestine
  5. Ed Miliband on Gaza: “a full scale ground invasion would be a disaster”   YARPP


  1. richard armbach said,

    A salutary reminder to MP’s on all sides of the house. If you are talking about Israel be careful of your language because the Zio neocons of the alleged left will be hot on your ass.

    • Jim Denham said,

      Oh yes: the conspiracies that the Elders of Zion engage in, eh?
      Not forgetting the Elders’ agents in conspiracy, the “hasbara”, of course.

  2. Sue R said,

    How do these people describe the events in Syria? Or, is that alright because it’s Muslim on Muslim action?

  3. The situation in Gaza is bad but to compare it to the Holocaust is grotesque. Yasmin Qureshi is right to have apologised | OzHouse said,

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  4. Fed up with your Zionist/racist propaganda posing as leftism said,

    More bullshit from the Trotsyist friends of Israel. Who pays for your blog I wonder?

    • R F McCarthy (@RF_McCarthy) said,

      Yep – cos who would spend a couple of quid and a few hours a month of their own money and time on a blog.

      The Jews have to be behind it.

  5. Ben said,

    Yasmin Qureishi’s comments are despicable, and her “apology” just adds insult to injury. The accusation that the Palestinians have “suffered incredibly” for many decades is disingenuous. Whatever suffering they have endured is a consequence of the violent and criminal policies that they have instigated. David Cameron’s accusation that Gaza is “an open prison” is mendacious. Israel has been attacked repeatedly from Gaza, and is entitled to defend itself and put down this aggression. The fact that Gentiles who attack and try to murder Jews, as the Palestinians and the Arab states have done continuously and mercilessly since 1929, are facing resistance and are being made to pay a price for their crimes, should be welcomed, not decried.

    The European nations and the USA callously and with cold indifference did virtually nothing for the victims of the Holocaust as they were being killed, and stood idly by as the Germans and their allies wiped out the Jews of Europe. The Palestinian leaders enthusiastically supported and urged on the German murderers. The idea that any of these peoples have any moral standing vis a vis Israel is preposterous.

    • s4r4hbrown said,

      I think the Palestinians have suffered a good deal, for a range of reasons. In your third sentence the first ‘they’ = all Palestinians but they second ‘they’ = their leaders and perhaps those who have engaged in violence. I don’t think all Palestinians should be blamed for decisions made by their leaders, particularly when we are talking about decisions going back over 60 years.

      I do agree with your first sentence though.

      • richard armbach said,

        Sarah there is a fence just down the lane from me. I don’t think you have sat on it yet.

      • Jim Denham said,

        Better to sit on a fence than to be on the wrong side of it, spouting anti-Semitic conspiracy theories

    • Babs said,


      Since no one at Shiraz will challenge the one sided view you’re spouting (probably because they agree with you) allow me to do so. The Palestinians have and continue to suffer a great deal at the hands of the Israelis. For decades now their movement has been severely restricted as is what they can import/export. The air, sea and borderland around the Gaza Strip is under the full control of the occupying army and has been long before any primitive Qassam rockets started to find it’s way into Southern Israel. Thousands of illegal settlements continue to be built on the occupied West Bank more than two decades after the Oslo Accords. And then you complain the Palestinians violently resist all this? What do you expect them to do?!

      The indigenous population were driven from their lands by European immigrants fleeing European persecution, in fact a UN then dominated by imperial powers with their own colonies granted most of the land of Historic Palestine to a small minority of immigrants from another continent. When the Arabs refused to accept this unfair partitioning of land they had lived in for generations, the Jews responded by unilaterally declaring independence without any more discussion of the matter. The Arabs (their first significant act of state driven terror which we should all condemn) attacked the new nation of Israel but thankfully their attack was repulsed by the much better equipped and organised IDF who’s political leaders then went on to order it to do what they had always planned on doing…start occupying more land for Israel. A partial ethnic cleansing was carried out by the IDF which I guess in hindsight was a mistake because the will of the Palestinians to resist the occupation was not shattered and so perhaps a full ethnic cleansing operation should have taken place instead right?

      There has been a solution to all of this and it has been around of decades….implementation of UNSC 242. Unfortunately Israel with the tactic backing of the US just simply refuses implement it….since 1967.

      • Jim Denham said,

        Babs: We don’t agree with Ben, and the reason we’ve not replied is because:
        a/ We assumed it was obvious we don’t agree
        b/ it’s a pain in the arse replying to every stupid comment that appears here.

      • Ben said,


        I do not believe that many here agree with me on this issue. Certainly Jim does not, in fact he has said that my comment is stupid. I hope this gives you some comfort.

        Many of the allegations in your reply are exaggerated, tendentious or just plainly false.

        Israel has ruled the West Bank and Gaza very liberally since 1967, especially considering the policies and actions of Palestine Arab terrorist organizations and hostile neighbouring Arab states. There were open borders and no impediment to movement of people or goods in the territories west of the river Jordan until the intifadas. Arabs could move freely everywhere, travel abroad freely, and many worked inside Israel. It was only after the advent of large scale car bombings and murderous attacks against Israeli civilians that some restrictions were introduced, and rightly so. Nobody has the right to touch even one hair on the head of any Jew, not in Israel and not anywhere else.

        There is nothing illegal about any of the settlements that were established after 1967 in the West Bank and Gaza strip. Jews had lived in these areas since time immemorial. These territories are a part of the Land of Israel, the historic homeland of the Jewish nation, and much land there was purchased and owned by individual Jews and Zionist organizations prior to 1948. Those who seek to remove the Jews from these areas are advocates of a type of anti-Jewish apartheid.

        The indigenous Arab refugees of 1948 became refugees of a war that was started by Arab states and Arab leaders. The Arab states and Arab leaders were also responsible for the driving out of another indigenous population. After 1948, they increased the persecution and oppression of their own hapless Jewish populations, and caused hundreds of thousands of Mizrahi Jews to flee, many reaching Israel. And there is yet another indigenous population that was driven from their homes because of the Palestine conflict that you do not mention. It is of course the Jews, who were driven out repeatedly in the two millenia following the Roman conquest, and who in the period leading up to 1948 were killed or driven out from East Jerusalem, Hebron and other places.

        The advent of Zionism brought about a massive influx of Arabs from outside. More than 250000 Arabs moved into Mandatory Palestine in the period 1917-48 according to British officials. Far from being indigenous, a large minority of Palestine Arabs were just as much immigrants as the Jewish pioneers. There was also a significant Jewish population whose antecedents went back many generations before 1917.

        UNSC resolution 242 was accepted by Israel shortly after it was adopted. It was the Arabs who rejected it. The resolution requires the establishment of secure and recognized boundaries through negotiations between the parties involved. After the resolution was passed it took the Palestinians another twenty years to drop their “armed struggle to liberate all of Palestine”, and even today Hamas rejects the resolution and advocates continued conflict.

      • Noga said,

        Do the authors of this blogpost agree with this:

        ” Thousands of illegal settlements continue to be built on the occupied West Bank more than two decades after the Oslo Accords. ” ??

        Really? “thousands”?

        As for Res 242: Babs’ knowledge about that is of the same quality as her assured statement about the ” Thousands of illegal settlements” .

        And yet it is Ben’s comment that has been sneered at as stupid rather than this ignorant fulmination.

  6. richard armbach said,

    Jim might I suggest you conduct a little experiment. Stand on any random street and ask a hundred people what they understand by anti-Semitism ( make it a fairly busy one otherwise you might be there for a week.). If the street is truly a randomly chosen one I am willing to bet Hull City’s chances of winning the Champions League that Israel won’t get a mention. People have grown up with the idea that anti-Semitism is hatred of Jews, a wish to discriminate against Jews, a wish to persecute Jews or some combination of those and similar sentiments. They find it hard to shake this understanding off.

    The dictionary compilers, arriving at their definitions by observation of the aggregate force of the uses of words and expressions, appear to agree with them.

    I long ago gave up being intimidated by this new AS, causal AS, alibi AS, AS tropes, borderline AS etc etc crapola. So don’t waste the wear and tear on your keyboard.

    In fact it was this refusal that got me banned ( AGAIN ) from the racist cess pit Harrys Place ( recomended by the English Defence League and the Jewish Chronicle.)

    • Jim Denham said,

      We allow you here (for the moment) as you serve a very useful educative purpose in illustrating that (contrary to what some people seem to think) the Socialism of Fools is still, unfortunately, alive and well and willing to expose itself for what it is in BTL comments.

  7. richard armbach said,


  8. Noga said,

    Dare to compare: Suffering in Gaza: … Holocaust:


    “How do these people describe the events in Syria?”

    The anti-Israel propaganda has done a great harm to the real victims of great&gratuitous violence in this world. The issue of human rights has been subverted to serve Palestinian interests to the catastrophic detriment of other conflicts where atrocities on a large scale and quality are visited upon truly innocent people. When you describe a legitimate blockade on Gaza as the moral equivalent of Nazi concentration camps, there is nothing left in the language that would capably refer to the type of horrors committed in Syria.

    • richard armbach said,

      OK Israel is the most wonderful thing since sliced bread. I guess all is now well with the people in Syria.

      • Pink Prosecco said,

        All you ever do seem to do is troll Israel supporters. Do you have any genuine interest in Palestinians? Even Ben White does at least link to interesting articles, and other pro-Palestinian activists manage to condemn antisemitism wholeheartedly – their measured (but still tough) criticisms of Israel thus have more credibility.

      • Noga said,

        richard armbach, this does not in any way provide a rational answer to my question: If a legitimate blockade on Gaza with all its frustrations to Gazans is the moral equivalent of Nazi concentration camps, where do you go to in the language and history to describe adequately the type of horrors committed in Syria?

        It’s as if you equate a child suffering from the flu with a child suffering from terminal leukemia, demanding, insisting, that at best the same degree of compassion and concern be given to both and at worst that the child with the flu will be given almost exclusive consideration by the system in which both children dwell.

        Answer the question, don’t evade with smart aleck comments.

        I’m very impressed with the degree of your commitment to rebuilding Palestinian demolished homes. Were there no available bricks to build with? Your description sounds almost biblical, straight from the story of the Exodus. You cut a very dashing and heroic figure there. Wow. ten hours a day! And for how many days? How many bricks did you manage to make? How many houses did you manage to rebuild?

        Did you manage to find time, perhaps 5-6 hours, to tear yourself away from the building demolished homes to visit the traumatized kids of Sderot, to read them a story, perhaps? Explain to them how a few demolished homes of Palestinians justify the fact that they must live in constant fear and alert in their homes? I mean, you are a human rights aficionado, are you not? You concern yourself with HUMAN rights?

    • R F McCarthy (@RF_McCarthy) said,

      While I instinctively agree with the sentiment you seem to be falling prey to a sort of linguistic determinism where it is not sticks and stones that break bones but the words that fall to adequately describe the beating.

      The reasons we won’t intervene in Syria and didn’t intervene in Rwanda or Sudan or Cambodia (but did intervene in Iraq and Afghanistan and Libya) has nothing to do with the terms genocide and holocaust being devalued by the Idiotarian Left.

      Bourgeois states (or even whatever you wanted to call the Stalinist states when we still had them) don’t intervene to defend abstract human rights but real ruling class economic and geopolitical interests.

      The diversion of so much ‘Left’ energy into merely histrionic verbal support of the hopeless and tragic cause of the Palestinians is indeed foolish and disproportionate – but lets not pretend that an utterly broken and demoralised Left can now seriously prevent any policy which our plutocratic masters have really set their hearts on.

      Understand that and the verbal excesses of the anti-Zionists become just another sad and painful reminder of how utterly impotent we all are – a symptom of a terrible terminal disease which should arouse pity as much as outrage.

  9. richard armbach said,

    Would you count several months of ten hour days under a blazing sun making mud bricks in the Jordan valley to rebuild demolished homes and schools as a genuine interest ?

  10. richard armbach said,

    And if it is interesting articles you want here is one for ya.

    • Pink Prosecco said,

      Unlike Sue, I have no problem with those who identify with the Palestinian cause (I mean, I have a problem with some of them, but it’s not in itself something I see as negative) but your whole social media profile seems taken up with childish and pointless digs at Zionists. To give you an example of an article Ben White linked to recently – there was one about the latest judgement about a Palestinian village being affected by the route of the separation barrier. You don’t have to be an anti-zionist to find that concerning – you don’t have to be particularly Zionist to find this hounding of Jonathan Hoffman wearisome.

      • richard armbach said,

        Well so far as Hoffman is concerned that is very much mission accomplished, and has been for some considerable time. I wouldn’t have brought the subject of the idiot up except you expressed an interest in interesting articles.

        The current mission is to help so far as is possible the empowering of the Methodist Church to finally wise up and cut the umbilical cord that presently attaches the leadership to the hasbarafia establishment. Maybe you might like to lend a hand ?

      • richard armbach said,

  11. Sue R said,

    Richard Armbach: So, you did some volunteer work in the Jordan valley. Whoop-di-whoop. Hard work (which I’m sure it was) is no guarantor of the rightness of a cause. It bespeaks of a personal committment that is all.

    • richard armbach said,

      That was a response to Pink questioning whether I had a genuine interest. It was not meant to be evidence of the rightness of the cause. The rightness of the cause is perfectly self evident.

      • Noga said,

        I don’t suppose it would have made more sense to give the money you spent on flight tickets, lodgings, drinks, etc, possibly a few thousand $ all in all, to an organization that would pay Palestinian workers to do the job? I suspect a few Palestinian families could live for several months on what you spent “helping” them rebuild demolished homes, no?

      • Jim Denham said,

        A little voluntary work – excellent as it is in principle – is not incompatible with anti-Semitism. Or self-righteousness.

      • richard armbach said,

        Jim being called an anti-Semite used to hurt but I am afraid you are out of time. That was a long time ago. You missed the chance. I now find it just a big yawn. It happens to me every day but nobody has ever been able to come up with a single solitary scrap of supporting evidence. Do you feel up to giving it a whirl ? If not do you not think that the hurling of the charge just makes you seem just a little je ne sais quoi ? I guess it just makes you feel a little more secure in your status as one Waffling Norm’s Euston boys.

      • Jim Denham said,

        Mr Armbach, I don’t give a fuck about you thinking anti-Semitism is “a big yawn” and I certainly have no intention of dignifying your racism with a response: it speaks for itself in the comments you’ve made here. That alone is validation for tolerating your filth, as an education for the naïve and the mis-educated in the reality of modern anti-Semitism and the “anti-Zionist” façade it invariably hides behind.

      • richard armbach said,

        Now Jim I didn’t say that anti-Semitism is a big yawn did I ? I will excuse the willful misrepresentation on the grounds that you are probably getting rattled.

        What is a big yawn is being called anti-Semitic by the Euston boys ( and girls )

  12. Sue R said,

    Are you under 70, Mr Armbach? The reason I ask is because I attend a Life Drawing Class every week which is held in a Methodist Church. We have just been informed that due to the average age of the congregation being 70, the site is to be sold, probably for building land. It’s ok though, because we can move our class to the local Quaker House.

  13. Justen B said,

    Mark Ferguson wrote:

    “Now it seems very clear to me that the situation in Gaza, and the hardship faced by so many of those who live there, is harsh. The Palestinian people deserve the right to their own state, and have suffered incredibly for many decades. Cameron once called the Gaza Strip a ‘prison camp’ – that seems an accurate description. But to compare the treatment of people in Gaza to the holocaust is grotesque. Qureshi appears to be comparing the situation in Gaza with the mechanised and industrial extermination of an entire people. No-one who has seen the gas chambers and the ovens of Auschwitz could honestly make such a comparison. No-one who has any knowledge of the mechanical way in which Jews were rounded up, shipped off and murdered in the Holocaust could compare any other form of oppression or repression to that cold, calculated and brutal attempt at extermination. I’m afraid that however strong your feelings are on the undoubted injustices that the people of Gaza have faced, they are not seeing anything comparable to the holocaust.” (

    The situation in Gaza is much worse that “harsh.” It is a deep and dramatic crisis, with extremely high levels of poor health brought on by the seige and blockade. There is no shortage of reports — from newspapers, human rights groups and health groups — that have covered and documented this crisis. No one can claim ignorance on this matter. Typical is this report from WHO:(

    We mustn’t look at Gaza merely from the external point of view: ie, as an open air prison camp. This is misleading, because it ignores the real economic factors that happen in Gaza because of the blockade. The Israeli military forces control and patrol the border, and have complete control over what comes in and out of Gaza. The I(O)F have placed extremely harsh restrictions on this, so that Gazans lack access to tools, food, water, outside materials, health products, etc, etc. Disease and malnutrition are rampant.

    The fact that Gazans are not being put into gas chambers in an industrial murder complex is not proof that no holocaust is taking place. This is to confuse a specific feature of the Nazi Holocaust with genocide in a generality. Our focus on Gaza, in terms of it being a genocide or holocaust, is the suffering and death and destruction of the Palestinians, not in the methodology of the killing. Just because the Israelis are using a different process for killing their victims doesn’t tell us whether or not what’s happening to Gaza is a holocaust.

    If you focus on specifics like that, then no object is comparable with any other, because they all have different features and characteristics, making them different.

    The ultimate goal for Israel is to create Greater Israel, in other words to expand the colony over the entire region of Historical Palestine, to complete the Zionist project of creating a Jewish state upon Palestine. In order for it to accomplish this goal, it need to wipe out the Palestinians, to complete destroy them as a people. Only once the Palestinians are gone then the full settlement and colonisation process can be completed. It is a sine qua non of the Zionist state that the Palestinians must eventually be gotten rid of; the two cannot co-exist, for Israel has on its agenda the completion of what it started in 1948.

    But there’s another point that needs to be made. Open, honest, mass murder can only occur in specific historical circumstances. When some sort of emergency occurs, the world is pulled into a state of panic and confusion, all the norms are gone and suddenly no one can see straight. It’s under these situations that an armed force has the cover it needs to commit open, mass horror.

    But if this situation doesn’t exist, if there is no world emergency, then mass murder cannot occur, and so instead the armed force must resort to more subtle and clever forms of genocide.

    Take a look through history at the mass, open murder sprees and they all took place during a period when the world was in a state of deep emergency: Nazi Holocaust, the chaos of WW2; the Nakba, the chaos of the first Arab-Israel War; Pol Pot, the chaos of the American bombing of Cambodia; Rwanda, the chaos of the world food market crash. And so on and so forth.

    What’s happening in Gaza has been labelled a “slow genocide”. Israel currently doesn’t have the emergency in the world that it needs to commit mass destruction of Gaza, so instead its slowly and carefully cutting the Palestinains down one piece after another. Slowly but surely the Palestinians are dying and disappearing, not through one mass stroke of gas chambers or shooting, but through malnutrition and disease and poverty.

    Whether or not this specific analogy is appropriate is not relevant. What matters is that the fate of the Palestinians is a slow genocide, but a genocide nonetheless. This means that we shouldn’t be dismissing its importance or downplaying the tragedy. This simply gives people the excuse to turn their heads away from the horrors and to shrug their shoulders, refusing to help these poor, suffering creatures.

    • Pink Prosecco said,

      But the population of Gaza is growing quite steadily. This doesn’t cancel out *some* of your points – but it potentially distracts from them because it seems demonstrably untrue to say there is a slow genocide going on, and whatever Israel’s share in Gaza’s problems, it’s surely not 100%.

      There do seem to be some people in Israel whose vision would appear to be unachievable without ethnic cleansing or apartheid.

    • R F McCarthy (@RF_McCarthy) said,

      A ‘genocide’ so very, very slow that the total number of Palestinian refugees has increased from 700,000 to 5 million in 66 years while Gaza has life expectancy, infant mortality, literacy and other social indicators which are better or no worse than for most other Arab countries.

      In fact here are some stats:

      Population growth rate: 3.01% (2013 est.)
      country comparison to the world: 9

      Birth rate: 33.27 births/1,000 population (2013 est.)
      country comparison to the world: 33

      Death rate: 3.15 deaths/1,000 population (2013 est.)
      country comparison to the world: 220

      Infant mortality rate: total: 16 deaths/1,000 live births
      country comparison to the world: 104

      Life expectancy at birth: total population: 74.4 years
      country comparison to the world: 111

      Total fertility rate: 4.41 children born/woman (2013 est.)
      country comparison to the world: 31

      Literacy age 15 and over can read and write:
      total population: 95.3%
      male: 97.9%
      female: 92.6%

      So if the Gazan’s are ‘dying out’ why is their net population growth greater at 3% per annum than all but 8 of the word’s countries? (the UK’s position in that league table BTW is #147 with just a 0.55% rate – so by your logic we must be undergoing ‘fast’ genocide)

      NB even the not so impressive sounding rankings are on a scale of 233 countries so even #111 is middling rather than bad (and the #222 death rate ranking actually makes Gaza the country with the 12th lowest death rate on the planet!)

      The fact is that thanks to UNRWA and other aid agencies Gazans are so much better fed, clothed, housed, educated and medically treated than Cairo slum dwellers or slave labourers in the Gulf that if the Rafah crossing was opened to all comers you would probably get more people clamouring to be let in than Gazans queuing to be let out.

      Which is not in any way argument for Israel policies or against Palestinian rights – it’s just the way the world is.

  14. Fathom: for a deeper understanding of Israel and the region said,

    In Fathom 5 Lesley Klaff explains the phenomenon of Holocaust Inversion. Read more here:

  15. Boleyn Ali said,

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