Carry on, Assad

August 29, 2013 at 10:48 pm (Champagne Charlie, fascism, hell, Human rights, internationalism, Middle East, Stop The War, Syria)

The vote was probably, on balance, the least-bad outcome on offer, but be in no doubt that it will give encouragement to Assad. And it was an expression of rightist, petty bourgeois isolationism (combined with Labour guilt-assuagement over Iraq), not any kind of “anti-imperialism.”

As far as can be judged, Syrians in Britain tend to take a different view to that of MPs:

Above: counter-demo of Syrians against ‘Stop The War’ isolationists on Wednesday

Thought for the day:

“One in four people in Lebanon are now Syrians. The gassing of hundreds in the outskirts of Damascus has now taken Syria across another of the West’s famous ‘red lines’ — and yet again, only words come from Washington and London. No wonder the Lebanese Druze leader Walid Jumblatt,  quoting Hannah Arendt and holding the Assad regime responsible last week, referred to the ‘banality of evil’. The West’s whittering and twittering — over Cairo just as much as Damascus – is a form of ‘banalising’ violence” Robert Fisk, The Independent, 26 August.


  1. Mike Killingworth said,

    Well, you can hanker for this country to be a world policeman if you like, but most of us have learnt better, if we ever did think that. And the whole point of freedom of speech is to allow people to say stupid things – Syrian blood is on Arab hands not anyone else’s (at least no one has yet proved the opposite) and because someone describes themselves as “oppressed” does not make them one of the good guys.

    Still, “least bad” is probably fair enough as a description of the outcome – the reality is that whatever we do or don’t do in Syria, it will encourage one or another groups of Arabs (probably, Muslims for sure) to plan and, if not stopped, carry out further terrorist acts in London or elsewhere in this country.

    • comradeNosaj said,

      Utter fucking moron. Don’t breed. We don’t need future cunts like you polluting the collective gene pool.

      • Mike Killingworth said,

        I am stunned by your perceptive analysis and delicate wit.

      • Monsuer Jelly More Bounce to the Ounce (Much More Bounce) said,

        i agree with comradenosaj

  2. jimmy glesga said,

    People should take a closer look at the alleged chemical attack. Unmasked people handling casualties with bare hands. People standing around inhaling the alleged chemical agent while taking film. Sorry not convinced.
    Hague and the neo cons have been desperate to get rid of Assad. Any lie will do just like Blair and the WMD in Iraq.

    • Monsuer Jelly More Bounce to the Ounce (Much More Bounce) said,

      fuck off racist nazi type cretin

  3. apache2 said,

    Free Syrian Army Have mo at stake then USA are UK! Until they get Serious and Clean House of anyone who isN’t for Here The people Rule , Then we”ll committ the 101st Airborne are the Red Guards if Ya’ll Know what I Mean 48rs mandingo

  4. s4r4hbrown said,

    Least worst outcome sounds about right – and/though I have much more sympathy for the counter demonstrators than the StW crowd.

    • Mike Killingworth said,

      I don’t think we really know enough about the politics of the Syrian opposition. The old tag applies: “be careful of what you wish for – you might get it!…

      • jimmy glesga said,

        The politics are mad mental fascist Sunni muslim fanatisism. Kill every one that is not wan of uz., that type of thing. Kill the Alawites, Shia, Christians then go for Jews. The Yanks and Brits should be supporting Assad. It was those type of religious fruitcakes that crashed the twin towers then we went to war against them and now the Yanks want to help them. The Taliban are killing Yanks with weapons given to them by the Yanks.

      • s4r4hbrown said,

        I can’t reply to Jimmy Glesga, but here is an alternative perspective on the Syrian opposition

      • Mike Killingworth said,

        Makes sense that Saudi-financed moderates and jihadis should be fighting separately. Presumably someone in the foreign office – or even Robert Fisk 🙂 – knows which are which and to what extent the territorial unity of Syria (a creation of the Sykes-Picot pact I believe) is worth upholding.

      • jimmy glesga said,

        Cameron and the wee shite Thatcher lovechild Hague are tweeting for war against Assad. and paddy pantsdown is gettin in his tuppence worth. War war and more war kill more Syrians make more profits from arms sales. And the frogs want in on it as the Syrians gave the frog coloniaists a bloody nose. Well help ma boab maybe the Belgique will want a hand on it as it is a while since they slaughtered a few million darkies.

  5. holy joe said,

    So if I’ve got this straight the vote will encourage Assad, everybody who opposed Cameron was a bastard, and failure to attack Syria goes against the wishes of Syrians in Britain (as can be ascertained by a photo of a dozen demonstrators). Yet somehow it is the least worst outcome. Why precisely?

    • Jim Denham said,

      “Why precisely?”

      Eh…maybe because…the vote will encourage Assad, everybody who opposed Cameron (in Parliament) was a bastard, and failure to attack Syria goes against the wishes of (many)Syrians in Britain.

      But…it is not our job to advocate the US intervenes.

      OK, Your Holiness?

      • holy joe said,

        No, since I didn’t ask you what your job was. Perhaps you can tell me what the worst outcomes would be than the one which encouraged Assad and went against the interests of “Syrians in Britain” (your phrase, you didn’t say “most”), rather than describing what you feel your vocation to be.

  6. Jim Denham said,

    In the present situation, Your Holiness, all the options look pretty bad. But Tory isolationism and/or STWC-type thinly-veiled support for the mass-murderer Assad are not policies I’d want to support.

    • jimmy glesga said,

      What about the mass murderous Islamists that would replace Assad!

    • Mike Killingworth said,

      Here is a rock. There is a hard place.

  7. holy joe said,

    But the vote was a rather simple one about whether or not Cameron should be given a blank cheque to participate in an attack on Syria. You lament that refusing that blank cheque encourages Assad and is contrary to the wishes of [apparently all] Syrians in Britain, but intimate that somehow or other there are worse things than that. Could you tell us what they are?

    • Jim Denham said,

      My position, as I’ve said, is that on balance it was the least bad option. But I recognise the thoroughly reactionary motives and dreadful politics that lay behind that vote. What’s so difficult to understand, Your Holiness?

      • holy joe said,

        So you would have voted the same way but your motives would have been pure in a way that you are absolutely sure was not the case with anybody else who voted with you? What’s wrong with Labour MPs feeling guilty over Iraq, incidentally? And again, why was voting Cameron down the least bad option? What are the outcomes that are worse than encouraging Assad?

      • Mike Killingworth said,

        What are the outcomes that are worse than encouraging Assad?

        Encouraging al-Qaeda, perhaps. Never forget that there is a substantial majority in the Arab world (if not more widely in Islam) for the suppression of the enlightenment values that you and I take so much for granted that we can scarcely think outside them.

    • jimmy glesga said,

      What the Syrians in Britain have to say is just being used as propoganda by both sides. Most of them will stay permanently in Britain and never go back home.

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