Sue us too, you anti-semitic scum!

July 10, 2008 at 10:35 pm (anti-fascism, blogging, blogosphere, democracy, Free Speech, Islam, Jim D, religion, secularism, truth)

‘Shiraz Socialist’  agrees with what ‘Harry’s Place’ and David T have to say about the British Muslim Initiative…and if Anas Altikriti and/or Mohammed Sawalha want to sue ‘Harry’s Place’ they should also sue us.

Legal Threats from Hamas/British Muslim Initiative

The British Muslim Initiative is the sister organisation of the terrorist group, Hamas. Its President is Mohammad Sawalha: a man who the BBC identified as the mastermind of “much of Hamas’ political and military strategy”, and as responsible for directing “funds, both for Hamas’ armed wing, and for spreading its missionary dawah”.  Its senior members include Azzam Tamimi, the Hamas Special Envoy who once expressed a desire to commit a suicide bombing.

Yesterday evening, we received a letter from Anas Altikriti of the British Muslim Initiative, threatening legal action against us.

It is a great relief to be the subject of mere legal threats. In Gaza, where Hamas is in power, they prefer to settle disputes with political opponents by murdering them.

The reason that the British Muslim Initiate is upset with us is this. This weekend, Mr Sawalha attended a demonstration against a festival celebrating the re-founding of the State of Israel. He gave a speech, in Arabic, to Al Jazeera. In that speech, he stated that the purpose of his demonstration was to:

“express our resentment at the celebrations by the Jewish community”

He also made another statement, which has been the subject of some dispute. Al Jazeera initially reported the phrase in question as containing the word “الوبيل”. That word translates as “evil” or “baneful”, or some variant thereon. The next word was “يهودي “, which means “Jew” or “Jewish”. We translated the phrase, as it appeared, as “evil Jew” or “Jewish evil”.

Some time later, the word “الوبيل ” was removed from the Al Jazeera report. It was replaced with the word “اللوبي ”, “lobby”.

The British Muslim Initiative then issued a bombastic “press release”, which it pasted in our comments section, claiming that we had:

“deliberately skewed the word ‘Lobby’ to turn it into some other word and make it seem as though it means ‘evil/noxious’”

It went on to describe Mr Sawalha as a promoter of “community relations and cultural dialogue”, and object to him being ”demonised” as  a “‘Jew-hater’ and ‘anti-Semitic’.” 

I do not know Mr Sawalha. However, if he is a senior Hamas activist, and a supporter of that organisation, I cannot imagine he has anything positive to contribute to “community relations”. Moreover, it is very unlikely that any British court would regard it as defamatory to describe a Hamas activist as a racist. Hamas is a proudly racist, and genocidal terrorist organisation.

A little later, an Al Jazeera reporter called Medyan Dairieh appeared in the thread, insisting that Mr Sawalha had spoken of the “Jewish Lobby”. He explained that the original report contained a spelling mistake. However, instead of apologising to Harry’s Place and to the British Muslim Initiative for his hopelessness as a journalist, he accused us of having “no common sense” for thinking that a Hamas activist would use the phrase “Evil Jew”.

I can form no conclusion on what precisely Mr Sawalha said at Sunday’s demonstration. The meaning of the words “وبيل” and “يهودي ” have been extensively discussed in the comments of the thread below. Initially, defenders of Mr Sawalha claimed that in Arabic, “Jew” meant “Zionist”. When that argument fell apart, there was some debate as to whether the word “يهودي ” means “Jew” or “Jewish”. The defenders of Mr Sawalha insisted that the word could not be used to mean “Jew”. However, the leading dictionaries suggest that it can be used in this manner. There was also some disagreement as to how likely it was that a careless journalist would have mistyped the word “evil, “الوبيل” when intending to type the word “اللوبي ”, “lobby”.

It is possible that Mr Sawalha railled against the “evil Jewish Lobby”, rather than the “evil Jew”. What I find astonishing, is that the British Muslim Initiative thinks that it is somehow better to be caught out inveighing against – not the policies of the Israeli Government, not the “Israel Lobby”, not even against the “Zionists” – but against the “Jewish community” and the “Jewish Lobby”. It is clear from their letter that they see no problem with saying any of that. How bold of them.

Here is Mr Altikriti’s letter to us:

Sirs,

Your piece on comments made by Mohammed Sawalha, President of BMI, and published on Al-Jazeera contained a fundamental factual error.

You quoted a piece (translated from Arabic) stating that Mr. Sawalha had described the Jews in Britain as evil/noxious. We have checked the piece that you referred to very closely and contacted the Al-Jazeera office in Doha. It has been confirmed that Mr. Sawalha made no such comment at any time during the interview. This fact can, if you wish, be corroborated by checking for yourself the recording of the interview, which is available in case any further enquiry is made into this matter.

It appears that you have inexplicably grossly mistranslated his reference to the Jewish ‘Lobby’. Whether this mistake was accidental or not, the mistake is extremely serious and the consequences far-reaching.

Therefore, we trust that you will withdraw the said piece with immediate effect and post an explanation of what had taken place, particularly now that some commentators, including Melanie Phillips, seem to have copied your quote, including the error aforementioned and used it for their own purposes. If this is not done immediately, we will have to pursue legal measures.

Regards,

Anas Altikriti

British Muslim Initiative

Mohammed Sawalha will not sue me. He has no case.

It is as likely that a man identified by the BBC as a senior Hamas activists would witter on about the “evil Jew” as it is that he would be cursing the “Jewish lobby”, evil or not. Both versions show him to be a deeply malevolent man. 

As David Irving discovered, when he sued Penguin and Deborah Lipstadt, extremists tend to do rather badly when they look to British courts to exonerate them.

The British Muslim Initiative should stop issuing ridiculous press releases, and issuing legal threats. Given that the success of the British Muslim Initiative rests on creating the wholly false impression that it is the moderate and progressive face of British Islamism, it ought not to be drawing attention to the fact that it has close links with the terrorist group Hamas. A public legal dispute over why Al Jazeera used the word “evil” in a report of its President’s frothing at the mouth speech on the “Jewish Lobby” will not help its case. It will merely result in its true nature, and the links of its senior activists with Hamas, being appreciated more widely. As the British Muslim Initiative’s strategy is to partner with mainstream political organisations and parties, in the hope of skimming off large grants from local authorities, that sort of publicity is likely to harm it fatally.

The bottom line is this. We were entitled to publish our translation of the Al Jazeera text as it originally appeared. Mr Sawalha should direct his complaint to Al Jazeera, not to Harry’s Place.

 

19 Comments

  1. modernityblog said,

    well done!

  2. charliethechulo said,

    I am Spartacus, eh?

  3. Boogski said,

    Hi Volty.

    Now this is some solidarity I can get behind! See? You thought people were bullshitting when describing what these maggots were up to. Sure Volt. Let’s eliminate borders, eh? Fat fucking chance.

  4. Voltaire's Priest said,

    Just to make clear, I totally agree with Jim about this. Trying to bully blog writers into silence via the courts is about as low a method of online debate as there is. I don’t always agree with what HP’s posters write, and I think some their commenters are right-wing idiots. But on this issue they would seem to me to have a point. Even if they didn’t, for the Muslim Brotherhood’s UK front man to be threatening to sue them is bad comedy.

  5. KB Player said,

    Hey, I’m not Spartacus. Spartacus is that bloke over there who looks like Kirk Douglas.

    “I don’t always agree with what HP’s posters write, and I think some their commenters are right-wing idiots.”

    David T’s posts on Islamist front organisations and their honchos are useful, sterling stuff. As for some of the others, my theory is that when a poster produces something like “Muslim hates puppy dogs” and the threads fill with rants about dhimmitude and the noise of the clash of civilisations, it’s because the poster cohabits with one of the commenters.

    Scenario:-

    Commenter (looking up from Daily Mail):- See what these f******** M****** are asking for now!
    Poster: Terrible dear.
    Commenter: (for ten minutes) ******* M******* dhimmitude ********* Qu’ran *********** Mohammad **********.
    Poster: (surreptitiously tapping on the laptop). Harry’s Place has a post on exactly that topic.
    Commenter: (runs to computer and starts furiously tapping, froth dripping from lips)
    Poster: (saunters out whistling to watch football or weed the garden)

  6. modernityblog said,

    KB player.

    I’d agree HP does have its LGF moments, but then again it does have a very, very open commenting policy which encourages a range of cranks from Satanists to Uber Catholics, and a few persuasions in between.

    Fortunately, they are rarely taken seriously, but you bring up an interesting point, suppose as an alternative someone had posted a new story of “Israeli bites puppy”?

    then you can imagine the predictable avalanche of “murdering Zionist”, “neo-con Zionists hate animals”, “Israel to be reported to the ICC for animal cruelty”, “Zionists plan to kill all puppies in the world, secret plan revealed” from various “anti-imperialist” sites, such as Lenin’s Tomb, SU or JSF, etc/

    However, the downside is whilst there would be as many marginal comments aimed against ‘Zionists’, as the cranks aim at Muslims, you wouldn’t see any desire to curb the worst excesses, and bearing in mind on these “anti-imperialist” sites that a lot of commenters are political activists with a high degree of education then I think that is slightly more scary.

  7. KB Player said,

    Modernity – I don’t read the kinds of anti-imperialist sites you’re talking about, but I hear about them and I gather that one reason that the frothy-lipped commenters aren’t taken to task by saner commenters is that the saner commenters are deleted. Which, if so, is scary as well.

  8. modernityblog said,

    KB Player,

    agreed it is scary, but more to the point, the reason that these views are often not challenged is that some types of racism are seemingly seen as more acceptable than others, to some “anti-imperialists”, check out SU blog next time John Wight is ranting on and you’ll see what I mean.

  9. KB Player said,

    No thanks Modernity – life is too short even to read and join in with blogs that I like and agree with, so far too short to read blogs that would turn me into a frothy lips in my own right. Though I admire you folks that go about taking issue with such blogs.

  10. lpcn said,

    Have none of you people heard of email?

  11. Voltaire's Priest said,

    Yes.

    What’s your point, fuckwit?

  12. Uma Torres said,

    You Zionists have been committing crimes against the Palestinians for far too long, no wonder you are so hated in this world, but the decent humans in this planet is waking up to your imperialist desires and you shall never ever have peace or security. So do yourselves a favour, do not do unto others what you do not want done unto yourselves! Oh! dear, that was Christ’s words, and guess what: YOU HAVE KILLED HIM! Remember!!! You people never learn! What have the Palestinians ever done to you! You robbed them of their land, displaced them, killed many of them, and you are the THE VICTIMS, oH! tell me another joke! This is wearing thin!!! You do not deserve your country, you are worse than animals, killing children, you cowards! LONG LIVE HAMAS!!!

  13. Alan Laurence said,

    Uma
    Is this is a parody or are you serious?
    I’m sorry to ask but I really can’t tell.

  14. Allen W. said,

    Uma? From what date do you issue claim to the land of Palestine or Israel? You claim is at the most a few hundred years old. The Jewish claim, never surrendered, is 3000 plus some years. While your great Hamas likes to target anyone living in Israel (mostly civilians – women, children, and non Jews) the Israeli military tried more often to target the the killers and their organizations. A basic question is if anyone in Israel is a target for Hamas and its ilk then why can’t the same be true for Israel to do to Gaza?

    And if you want to talk about “Remember!!! You people never learn! What have the Palestinians ever done to you! You robbed them of their land, displaced them, killed many of them, and you are the THE VICTIMS” lets remember the way Islam was spread was by conquest for hundreds of years. I tend to think that if a group conquers another then the the conquered are the victims. Which brings us to the first paragraph.

    Now the original modern anti Jewish violence was in 1909 before for the Ottomans lost Palestine. It was against a small number of Jews. As my reading of history goes back then, the Jews had a different view of government than the Arab rulers. The Arabs tended to believe in rule from the top for the benefit of the few while the Jews tended to see government from the people, for the benefit of the people. Some one(s) on the Arab side afraid to lose power?

  15. voltairespriest said,

    Uma and Allen – I take it I don’t hear the sound of wedding bells then.

    Alan Laurence – I wouldn’t bother if I were you. This is the same old tango that’s been danced for 60 years between extremists on both sides.

  16. Alan Laurence said,

    I take your point but Im not sure U and A are all that extreme. Thats the problem.

  17. Jim said,

    … and whats wrong with ‘evil jew’.

    I’m pretty sure if your children had their limbs blown off by the Israeli military, you’d too be using that phrase.

  18. Mohammed el Manuk said,

    Part 1
    Confession by Prophet Mohammed,
    Due to the turmoil created by islam, Mohammed decided it would be best to go and confess his sins, and gain forgiveness.
    So he went to Sheikh Obama Hussein to confess his sins.
    M: Hi Sheikh, thanks for waiting back for me.
    I feel really embarrassed to be here, but I need to make some serious confessions.
    S: Oh you Mohammed, why what is troubling you Mohammed my son?
    M: Well, you know this Islam thing; well to be honest I have to admit I got it all wrong.
    I think the angel was drunk and I was high on hash,
    or maybe I was so high there was no Angel at all, I’m confused Sheik.
    S: That’s ok Mohammed, just tell me everything and I will tell you if you have committed any sin, ok,
    M: look I am sorry, so sorry for what I have done, it was just a prank and it got out of control, I stuffed up and I LIED to everyone back then, I never thought they actually believed I was a prophet..
    S: Oh dear Mohammed what have you done? Its been over 1400 years my boy, you better tell me everything and I will grant you forgiveness and free you from your demons, ok.
    M: Ok, Well you see, I think its best I confess and ask for forgiveness from all those that I have hurt.
    – Firstly, to that poor young child Aisha. Aisha look I am so so sorry for what I did to you when you were just 9YO, I should never have defiled you at such a tender age, and I should have acted as a responsible human and mature man of 54YO.
    I should have cared for you and guarded you like a daughter rather than rape you like a whore. I am so sorry, please forgive me, my actions are inexcusable, I feel so ashamed of myself, I couldn’t control my lust, lease forgive me.
    – Next I must ask forgiveness from all the slaves that I repeatedly raped I am so so sorry to kidnap you and allow my men to buy sell rape and abuse you all. I am sorry for depriving you of your families. I am so sorry you had to witness so much violence and killings and butchery, I think I was mad at the time, please forgive me.
    S: Mohammed you really were a very bad boy, continue with the rest
    – Well next I must beg forgiveness from all the ladies, To all the ladies, sorry I forgot your names, its been a long time you understand, any way I am asking you to forgive me, for all the evil things I did to you, all the mind games, the jealousies and sexual abuse. I am very sorry. Look from now on, you can now dress as you like, and you are free to pick your own husband and you will be treated as a wife and not a slave. Is that cool?
    – Ok next, listen guys, I know you aint gonna like this and again i am sorry, ok I am sorry, but listen, its all over red rover.
    That’s right, the party is over, no more raids theft and murder, and no wild parties and orgies to celebrate our victories,
    Also No more temporary marriages, and from now on you can only have one wife, that’s right one wife, and you can’t hit your wives at all, and the wivws are free to dress as they like. And you must treat them with respect, ok.
    Stop complaining guys you have to try, its not that hard, the Christians and Jews do it, No there is no compromise, they are the new rules and again really i’m sorry dudes i stuffed up, you see I was so high at the time, the angel was pissed and allah had no idea what I was doing, its all his fault.

    One more thing, I forgot to mention, no slaves or concubines, sister in-laws, aunties, no more ok, just your wife.
    And no animals, do you hear me, ok, it is taboo, forget what Ayatollah Khomeini said, I’ll talk to him later.

    – This is very awkward, Next I have to address all the Jews
    Shalom, shalom, I come in peace to talk to you!
    Listen guys, I know, I know exactly what you want to say, But I really am sorry.
    Please hear me out, I really am very sorry, I am sorry for everything, for all the murdering, stealing, and destroying everything,
    I know I was so foolish, I am also very sorry I kidnapped and raped your women during my evil years.
    I also want to ask forgiveness from that lady, sorry I forgot her name, but I killed her father then I killed her husband in another raid, and I forced her to marry me, (the same day) cause she was really hot and I just could not control myself and I wanted to get her in the sack. It was an awful thing to do and I am sorry.

    I also want to apologise for the back door deal, the treaty between Hitler and islam. Sorry guys, I know what we did was a terrible thing;
    I don’t know what possessed me that I would try to kill every Jew on earth, I was high on hash.
    Please forgive me, Hitler tricked me, I should have known better but I was possessed by satan “El-Shetun”.
    S: you had a treaty with Hitler, shame on you mohammed, is that all? Have you finished mohammed?
    M: Almost sheik Obama, just a few more to go.
    S: Mohammed I am shocked that you betrayed millions and millions of people like this.
    Mohammed, Finish your confession and when we are don and you leave here, you may never repeat a word of this to any one. Do you understand? Never utter a word to anyone. Now continue
    – Now To all The Christians,
    Guys, look we had our differences, and I stole half the bible to put in the koran. I was high and didn’t know what to say, so I borrowed a few books to fill the koran, I changed them a bit, ok it was wrong. Can you guys forgive me? come on, you are all Christians, do I have to remind you what Jesus taught you, Jesus said you must forgive, I am repenting and I demand forgiveness ok, I stuffed up sorry.
    (That one was easy.)

    – Oh yeah Now I must apologist to all the muslim people,
    Listen guys, lets make it simple,
    You have to burn the koran, its all f**ked up,
    Look its all my fault sorry guys, I was on such a high, I had a ball, I never thought it would turn out this way, honestly I had no idea.
    Look you can go join the Jews or Christians, cool?
    By the way, forget the jihad, ok, there is no Jihad
    the war has been cancelled, you will have to find another sport,
    try rugby league, I hear it’s a good game, not quiet as violent as Jihad but it’s a good game.
    Finally , this sharia issue, look it is a bad idea and was just a big mistake,
    So you have to leave the UN where it is, they run the show, so are we all good now.
    S: Is that all Mohammed?

    M: This is the last one sheik, but its not really a confession,
    S: Oh, well what is it Mohammed?
    M: It’s Osama bin laden,
    S: oh, you know Osama too do you?
    M: Yse, everyone knows him, surely you must know him.
    S: Well actually, I have this thing going on the side with his mother. What do you have to say to Osama?
    M: Osama, you f**king son of a bitch,
    I was doing so well till you decided to blow up those buildings in America,
    You are a f**king idiot. You stupid infidel bastard, That’s not the way to do things,
    Look what you have done,
    Now every one is reading the Koran, thanks to you.
    You put me under the microscope and now they can all see I was totally f**ked up
    and the scam is over, I had a good thing going.
    Osama because of you,
    the veil has been removed and all my plans for islam have been exposed, you caused all these problems.
    Osama, may Allah curse you,
    I hope the Americans get you and f**k you up Osama,
    all you had to do was keep a low profile and keep selling the opium, but you had to be a bigshot!
    That is all Sheik Obama

    S: Well Mohammed, you certainly have caused chaos in the world,
    listen carefully to me, it is best you keep this between us,
    no one needs to know, do you understand
    Mohammed keep your mouth shut, if you go telling everyone,
    what do the muslims do?
    What do I do Mohammed?
    You must remain silent or I will not have a Job, I have 4 wives and 23 children!.
    Look Mohammed, Allah will forgive you as long as you keep this as a secret
    You can lie to all of them and I will do the same ok?
    Mohammed, I want you to remember back to when the angel came to you and said “Allah said it was ok to lie if its done to protect islam”,
    Well, the angel was sober that day. And I know this because Allah sent me the angel’s sister and she told me personally “trust me”. Would I lie to you????

    M: Oh yeah, ok that sounds cool sheik Obama,
    I promise you, that by Allah I will never let anyone know it was all a scam..
    S: That’s a very good boy Mohammed,
    Now you can go crack a nice cold beer and throw it down your throat
    You must be very thirsty; you have been talking a lot.
    M: Thanks Sheik Obama, stay cool bro.

    And that my friends is the confession of Mohammed

  19. Kuching Hitam said,

    Mohammed el Manuk — the ravings of a paranoid racist madman.

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