Short-lived joy in Iraq

July 26, 2007 at 2:44 pm (insanity, iraq, iraq war, Jim D, kurdistan, sectarianism)

Iraq’s football victory over South Korea (4-3 on penalties), brought cheering crowds onto the streets. Just as the team was made up of Sunnis, Shias and Kurds, so the celebrations brought members of all those communities together.

“Iraq’s victory with this harmonious team represents the way we should all live together” football fan Nuri Najjar told Reuters in Basra.

Which is, presumably, why the heroic “resistance” did this.


  1. voltaires_priest said,

    Blowing up a footie match you know… that’s low.

  2. stroppybird said,

    Interesting to see what the apologists for the so called resistance come up with .

  3. modernityblog said,

    isn’t it strange how the Western supporters of the “resistance” suddenly go quiet on these occasions?

    the silence from them was deafening just after the chlorine gas attack on the Iraqi street market, specifically aimed at civilians

    it makes you wonder how they justified these things in their own minds?

  4. voltaires_priest said,

    They’ll say it was a set-up by “Bush and Blair Brown”.

  5. Lobby Ludd said,

    “isn’t it strange how the Western supporters of the “resistance” suddenly go quiet on these occasions?”

    Whose ‘resistance’ are we talking about? Who has gone quiet? Where is the support?

    I don’t know of anybody on the left who thinks such acts (eg bombing football fans) are justifiable. I believe certain people on the left are too tolerant of religious fundamentalists, but almost more so I object to ostensible socialists pointing to the barbarity of certain groups now active in Iraq as being the main problem. It’s all very ugly, but the voice I hear from the AWL is that possibly, just possibly, right now it’s better to stay, all the better to avoid a bloodbath.

    Shite, but not suprising.

  6. Jim Denham said,

    Lobby: you must surely know that the Workers Power sect openly support *all* actions by *all* elements of the ‘resistance’. The SWP and Galloway take much the same position, but throw in a little bit of ambiguity when pinned down on the worst sectarian excesses, just to cover their cowardly asses.

  7. modernityblog said,

  8. Graeme said,

    In light of this, Lenin’s Tomb is still holding the usual line that the resistance doesn’t target civilians.

  9. Lobby Ludd said,

    Perhaps for sake of clarity it would be best not to talk about ‘the resistance’ as if it were a single entity.

    After all, aren’t striking oil workers resisters – even the AWL? Lumping all those active against the US (and other Iraqis) as ‘the resistance’ can only aid the right – every atrocity will be used as a justification for the continued presence of the US in Iraq.

    But then, who wants clarity when moral outrage in support of your own politics is so much more comforting?

  10. modernityblog said,


    can you release my latest comment from moderation? (it is full of URLs) for Lobby Ludd

    oh, and you’ve been spammed in the other threads

  11. Will said,

    I’m sick of hearing the excuses and sick-making apologetics and semi-intellectual gymnastics from the likes of Ludd.

    Delete the fucker!

  12. Lobby Ludd said,

    “I’m sick of hearing the excuses and sick-making apologetics and semi-intellectual gymnastics from the likes of Ludd.”

    What apologetics would those be, then?

    “Delete the fucker!”

    Well, Will, I’m not really concerned if I’m excluded from your company.

  13. Lobby Ludd said,

    Modernityblog said:


    can you release my latest comment from moderation? (it is full of URLs) for Lobby Ludd”

    I’m not sure what this means, but it reads as a little bit creepy. Go ahead Volty, ‘release’ the comments, Modernity needs vindication.

  14. modernityblog said,

    Lobby Ludd,

    read creepy eh?

    well under WordPress if you post a comment with a LOT of URLs then it gets put in moderation (they don’t get posted until the blog authors review them, anti-spam thingie)

    I hope that clears it up?

  15. Will said,

    “What apologetics would those be, then?”

    The sort you indulge in.

    You thick fucker.

    And wot Modernity said.

  16. Lobby Ludd said,

    Will said:
    ““What apologetics would those be, then?”

    The sort you indulge in.

    You thick fucker.

    And wot Modernity said.”

    Evidence please – it may take you some time. Your insults, Will, are of no effect.

  17. Will said,

    Then why bother responding you thick twat?

  18. Lobby Ludd said,

    No evidence re ‘apologetics’, then, Will? Just the insults.

  19. Will said,

  20. Will said,

  21. Will said,

    If you want more evidence of support for the fash ‘resistance’ in Iraq by so-called socialists then just look for John Game comments here or trawl the sewer of Stalin’s Tombola or look at youtubes of Galloway “we are all Hib now'” etc etc —

    Game even stated here that he’d support the killing of Iraqi communists by the islamist nutjobs because the Iraqi commies are collaborators with the ‘occupying’ forces.

    Sick fucking bastard.

  22. voltaires_priest said,


    Spam gone – and wot comment full of URLs are you talking about? I can’t see anything in the queue…

  23. voltaires_priest said,

    Never mind – I’ve found it now.

  24. Graeme said,

    From the comments box at Lenin’s Tomb:

    “Even if Osama Bin Laden himself was running around Iraq being the only resistance to the US, supporting that resistance would still be the right thing to do.”

  25. modernityblog said,


    why has my comment of about 3 hours ago vanished and yet you’ve got someone spamming you in the other threads?

    you might want to check the Akismet spam filters

  26. modernityblog said,

    here’s another copy:

    Lobby Ludd wanted proof of support for the Iraqi “resistance”, it is only a google search away:

    “The antiwar movement must not lose sight of the fact that its main enemy is at home–and any resistance to that enemy deserves our unconditional support.”

    “The other debate is on the characterisation of the Iraqi resistance. Socialist Outlook has extended unconditional support to the resistance of the peoples of Iraq against the occupation of their country,”

    Support the Iraqi resistance. Australian troops out of Iraq.

    “04/20/05 “ICH” – – Unconditionally-that’s the way I support the Iraqi Resistance these days.”

    “In all their recommendations and resolutions, the Cairo Conferences have stressed a number of basic principles which guided its strategies: 1) the unconditional support of all forces of resistance against imperialism and Zionism in Palestine, Iraq, and Lebanon; 2) a call for the necessary unity of all resistance groups, bypassing their ideological and political differences, and considering the struggle against US and Zionist colonialism to be the main strategic struggle;”

    so Lobby Ludd, if you want you too can find such evidence, but I doubt you will want to look

  27. Lobby Ludd said,

    I have asked for evidence that I was an apologist for religious sectarian violence. A couple of links were provided which demonstrated no such thing.

    If there are groups on the left which you can show are supportive of sectarian atrocities, go ahead. Do not include me in that group, I have written nothing which supports religious sectarian violence.

  28. modernityblog said,


    I have provided the links, but I didn’t expect you to acknowledge them

  29. charliemarks said,

    Oh dear.

  30. voltaires_priest said,

    Oh dear what?

  31. resistor said,

    Iraq captain says he fears for his life, calls for US to leave country
    The Associated Press
    Published: July 29, 2007

    “I want America to go out,” he said. “Today, tomorrow, or the day after tomorrow, but out. I wish the American people didn’t invade Iraq and hopefully it will be over soon.”

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