Do you know who they are?

March 18, 2007 at 5:53 pm (voltairespriest)

Some of you will already know a lot of the material contained in this post. However, for the benefit of the uninitiated I thought it would be worth playing a little “degrees of separation” game with a few of the protagonists in the ongoing battle between members and associates of Jews Against Zionism and the friends and associates of Gilad Atzmon. Particularly if you’re in certain left-wing groups, you might be surprised at who the people you platform are hanging around with.

Let’s start our journey with Gilad Atzmon. Gilad is a jazz musician, by all accounts of some considerable accomplishment. However, he’s also a political activist of extreme eccentricity, whose attacks on the so-called Jewish Lobby and attitude to people on the anti-semitic political right go far beyond the usual “anti-zionist” political millieu. Gilad has many fans, amongst whom is David Duke, who says of Gilad:

“Atzmon helps us understand the Holocaust mentality of Jewish extremists”

The reason there is room for such praise, is because of Atzmon’s ambiguous attitudes to Holocaust denial. Whilst to the best of my knowledge Atzmon has never actually outright denied the Holocaust, he does become suddenly very esoteric and vague when talking about the issue.  For instance, in this article he says the following:

“As we can see, the Holocaust functions as an ideological interface. It provides its follower with a logos. On the level of consciousness, it suggests a purely analytical vision of the past and present, yet, it doesn’t stop just there, it also defines the struggle to come. It defines a vision of a Jewish future.”

Make of that what you will.

Anyhow, Gilad also has other fans, including the Socialist Workers Party who have booked him both at their annual Marxism events in London, and also as part of a series of gigs entitled (ironically?) “Jazz, Racism and Resistance”.

Gilad’s political associates include Israel Shamir and Deir Yassin Remembered director, Paul Eisen. Shamir’s accurate biographical details are difficult to ascertain, but he appears to be a Swede whose real name is Joran Jermas. He says of Holocaust “revisionists”:

“The ‘revisionists’ risked their lives and fortunes trying to undermine what they call ‘the Myth of the Holocaust’. One can understand their interest. Nowadays, one may openly doubt the Immaculate Conception or (maybe) challenge the founding myths of Israel. Yet the cult of the Holocaust retains a unique, court-enforced prohibition against any investigation that might cast a doubt on its sacred dogma. Dogmas have a way of attracting critical minds.”

See the similarity with what Gilad said? Interesting, isn’t it.

Now, let’s ask Paul what he has to say about Holocaust denial:

“Although I stopped short of coming out in definite agreement with revisionists, I did (and do) find their case compelling.”

Now, before we continue, some of you (look at the comments) thought the JAZ members who moved a motion at the recent PSC conference were just hopeless sectarians. In light of the above, I think you might want to reconsider, at least insofar as conceding that there’s something to be concerned about here. Now, on with the story.

Eisen has some interesting associates, one of whom is a chap called Ernst Zundel. A Holocaust denier of decades’ standing, Zundel was the main brain behind the Zundelsite (to which I decline to link), a major source of “Revisionist” propaganda. In an essay called “The Holocaust Wars”, published on Shamir’s site (as well as on Zundel’s), Eisen describes Zundel as someone who “doesn’t hate anyone”, and who “has never discriminated against anyone nor has he called on anyone else to discriminate against anyone”. This, in case you need reminding, is the same Ernst Zundel whose publishing house issued such works as “The Hitler We Loved and Why” and “Did Six Million Really Die?”. So he’s a diamond geezer obviously.

Atzmon, of course, is known to have distributed the Eisen article, whilst disassociating himself somewhat from its contents.

As an aside, one of Shamir’s other associates is former NF leading figure Martin Webster, who Shamir describes on his e-list as:

“a British friend of this list, who is certainly no philosemite”

 Finally, Atzmon and Eisen both seem to be chummy with Mary Rizzo, who runs a certain fairly unpleasant blog, and publishes their material on it.

So there you have it – the degrees of separation game, Gilad style.

12 Comments

  1. http://modernityblog.blogspot.com/ said,

    spot on post,

    it just shows how the murky world of cretin’s “anti-imperialism”, holocaust denial and neo-nazis flith overlap

    common cause?

  2. Jules said,

    Still this? ‘kin hell….

  3. voltaires_priest said,

    Yes Jules, Holocaust “revisionism” is still an issue as far as I am aware. 😉

  4. Will said,

    Is Jukes John Game in desguise?

    What a dickhead.

  5. voltaires_priest said,

    Actually, I don’t think Jules is even an SWP member.

  6. voltaires_priest said,

    Modernity;

    I don’t think it’s so much that they have “common cause” – after all, Greenstein and Rance would both undoubtedly also embrace the title “anti-imperialist”. It’s more that the level of political education on the left has sunk to such a level that people can’t actually see why there would be a problem with association with the likes of Atzmon and Eisen. I think the line would go, “after all, they’ve got some weird views which we would argue with, but isn’t that part of a broad movement?”… etc.

    What Greenstein et al have done, which others evidently haven’t, is remembered where the boundaries lie, and remembered that “broadness” doesn’t necessarily mean embracing people (like Shamir especially) whose stances may sound on one issue like they’re coalescing with those of Palestine campaigners, but who actually follow a very different agenda to the majority of those in the PSC.

    It’s one of the problems with single-issue campaigns as well, they tend to gravitate towards apolitical “come one, come all” attitudes that leave (often new) activists vulnerable to such people.

  7. http://modernityblog.blogspot.com said,

    Volty,

    I think you’re right about the poor state of political education, combined with the almost Kissingerquse “anti-imperialism” which has consumed so much of left-wing politics nowadays

    but thinking about it, I would say that the Left’s previous preoccupation with the “Jewish question” is also part of the problem

  8. Will said,

    *Cough*

    David T @ HP Sauce likes to take a drink with some dubious characters doesn’t he?

  9. http://modernityblog.blogspot.com said,

    JohnG,

    what is your view of Atzmon and the David Duke mutual admiration society?

    Is David Duke just another “anti-Zionist”??

    is Atzmon booked for Marxism 2007 yet?

    but be careful, I heard that David Duke plays the banjo and of course he is “antiwar”, so he’s a prime candidate for a gig at Marxism 2008?

  10. voltaires_priest said,

    Will;

    I saw that too – amazing really isn’t it?

  11. twp77 said,

    David T is undeniably right-wing. He’s drinking with Atzmon and denouncing people who have the balls to protest the war in the US. Occasionally there is something mildly interesting on HP but I’m not sure why Shiraz maintains the link.

  12. voltaires_priest said,

    For the same reason I retain a link to Lenin’s Tomb – I barely agree with anything that either site has to say, but the fact is that they’re both focal points for debate amongst the “cyber-left”.

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