Morsi falls, Cairo celebrates

July 3, 2013 at 9:13 pm (Egypt, islamism, Jim D, Middle East, protest, revolution, secularism, solidarity, workers, youth)

Juan Cole has just posted this video on his excellent Informed Comment blog:

Unlike some “left” commentators, Cole is in no doubt where he stands on the Egyptian uprising. Even before Morsi fell tonight, Cole had written:

After [Morsi's hardline] speech, Tahrir Square was if anything even more energized, with the Opposition “Rebellion “volunteers calling with renewed vigor for the fall of the Muslim Brotherhood regime.  Rebellion maintains that in placing himself above the law last November, in ramming through a fundamentalist constitution, in packing the upper house of parliament with the Brotherhood and its sympathizers, and by neglecting to improve services or the economy, Morsi has forfeited the right to finish out his four-year term (he was elected in June, 2012).

Read the full article here

11 Comments

  1. It's not good, it's by John Wight said,

    Over at Stupidity Unity:

    What this crisis demonstrates above all is the extent to which secularism and political Islam throughout the region has become increasingly antagonistic and incompatible.

    What a effing surprise.

    Despite being elected in the nation’s first ever democratic elections, Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood have never been accepted in power by Egypt’s secular and educated middle class.

    Those horrible, secular, educated petit bourgeois. They dress nicely though.

    …Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood’s support for Sunni fundamentalist insurgency movements in Libya and Syria.

    Unlike the website for which I write, their mistake is not to support Assad. Even if he was never elected in democratic elections. But really, I don’t give much of a shit about that democracy stuff to be honest. Did you know that the Stalin Constitution of the USSR from 1936 was the most democratic in the world? It’s exactly the kind of democracy my website likes. Like in China today, the uniforms of the Soviet army were quite snazzy.

    Morsi still enjoys significant enough support to make anything other than a peaceful and political solution a bloody affair.

    If the solution isn’t peaceful, it’s not going to be peaceful. Or: if it’s bloody, it’ll be bloody. I’m a serious analyist of world affairs. And a male model.

    The stakes could not be higher both for Egypt and the entire region.

    I’m still sitting on the fence though. Assad’s still in power, after all. I do like his ‘tache. I prefer Mugabe’s though.

    • Howard Fuller said,

      Made me laugh out loud that did!

      But not as much as John Wights latest comment on Egypt taken from the comments section:

      History viewed as a series of disconnected events and through the prism of fixed categories could certainly lead to a misunderstanding of current and recent events in Egypt and the wider region – as if only a fully fledged communist revolution with Arab Bolsheviks at the helm could be considered progress in a region scarred by a century of western colonialism and imperialist intervention.

      The toppling of Mubarak, a western backed puppet dictator, was a seismic event in the history of Egypt and the region, a massive victory for the collective power of the masses. In this the MB played a progressive though certainly not leading role. But history flows and like the weather conditions change. A serious analysis based on observation of the facts rather than an attachment to those aforesaid perfectly formed fixed categories must take into account these changed conditions.

      So what has changed in Egypt?

      Simply this: the entry onto the political stage of the masses of the people. Is this a homogeneous mass of Marxists and communists, of socialists? No.

      But to look for this as the measure of progress in Egypt and the region in 2013 is either to be ignorant of or to completely and conveniently abstract the previous 100 years of historical and political turmoil, flux, progress, regress, and development.

      When it comes to living history nothing is ever settled

      Someone pass a bucket please!

  2. Mike Killingworth said,

    Cairo & Alexandria want to be part of the Western world; the Egyptian countryside, which elected Morsi in the first place, don’t. This is not a cleavage which can be resolved in the ballot box.

  3. Matthew Blott said,

    The lovely “moderate” Muslim Brotherhood …

    http://communalism.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/statement-of-muslim-brotherhood-against.html

    Meanwhile in a certain “liberal” newspaper (you guessed it) says in its leader today that the Muslim Brotherhood, not liberals are the only democrats in Egypt …

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jul/04/egypt-throwing-ballot-box-window

  4. holy joe said,

    You seem to think that Cole’s reporting of what “Rebellion maintains” is equivalent to what he thinks himself. In fact what Cole says in his latest post is that “What Rebellion and al-Sisi have done is extremely dangerous. Not only does it risk undermining the legitimacy of democratic elections, it risks discouraging Muslim religious groups from participating in democratic politics. The danger is real. A similar revocation of the results of a revolution in Algeria late in 1991 threw the country into a decade and a half of civil war that left over 150,000 dead”. But you guys are supporting the coup, right?

  5. Sue R said,

    From what I have read, the discontent with the Muslim Brotherhood is spread throughout both town and country, so stop trying to play one off against the other, Mike Killingworrth. The uneducated farmers are fed up because the economy has tanked. They cannot get petrol to drive their agricultural machines and their seeds are being wasted. They cannot get water easily. The schools are falling apart; there are high prices.

    It all reminds me of my days in the Labour party. The right wing would capture important positions and tehn do absolutely NOTHING. The reason was that the whole idea was to stop the left from getting control and doing something. The Muslim Brotherhood is there solely to stop much needed economic reforms and development from going forward.

    • Mike Killingworth said,

      Sue, we are both relying on what we’ve read and on our analytic skills, such as they are. Both what you say about rural economic distress and what I said in my earlier post may well be true.

  6. Rosie said,

    This piece by Berman interesting:-

    http://www.newrepublic.com/article/112490/islamists-lose-control-arab-spring-will-obama-notice#

    ” It appears to be the case that, in one zone after another, the vast regional revolution that used to be known as the Arab Spring (except that springtime has lasted two years now, and not everyone is Arab, and Mali testifies to the fact that revolutions do spread) has entered its Phase Three. The liberal origins back in 2011—the beautiful cries, “Peaceful! Peaceful!”, the days of Facebook glory—amounted to Phase One, the utopian heyday. Then came the Islamist triumphs, which marked Phase Two. Phase Two had a look of permanence, or so we were told, if only because, in the estimation of a certain school of Western thinking, Islamism, which may not be to our taste, is nonetheless authentic, which signifies: inevitable.

    The Arab Spring’s Phase Three has nonetheless arrived. Phase Three adds up to a series of mass protests and revolts and even wars against Islamists of every stripe—against the mainstream Islamists in Egypt, against the moderates in Tunisia, and against the radicals in Mali. The people want to topple the Islamists!—a significant number of people, anyway. Events have by-passed the experts. Islamism, even in its mainstream and moderate versions, turns out to be less democratic than advertised; and the demos, less Islamist. ”

    (h/t Fat Man on a Keyboard)

    • R F McCarthy (@RF_McCarthy) said,

      Except that Egypt’s underlying problems – a huge and still growing population and an agricultural sector incapable of feeding them without massive food imports which lacking oil Egypt lacks the foreign exchange to pay for, may – it is difficult to not say ‘must’ – be utterly insoluble.

      It rather appears that this coup is sponsored by the Saudis who can at least bung the new regime the odd $10 billion in aid and prevent actual famine for a couple of years – but what happens when that money runs out?

      Egypt cannot feed itself, it cannot compete with East Asian industries, it cannot export its surplus population, it can’t stop the seas from rising and drowning the Nile Delta, it can no longer even extort aid from the US by posing an implicit threat to Israel when every military analyst knows the IDF could defeat any conceivable combination of Arab armies with contemptuous ease…..

      I suspect that we are looking at the early stages of a human catastrophe of monstrous proportions which no political ideology can do anything to prevent.

  7. R F McCarthy (@RF_McCarthy) said,

    And when you see those images of Tahrir Square consider what may be happening to women in those crowds:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/05/egypt-women-rape-sexual-assault-tahrir-square?INTCMP=SRCH

  8. Egypt: Condescending Drivel, Cautionary Commentary | Whisky and Tea said,

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