Hobsbawm: some further thoughts
Some further thoughts on the enigma that was Eric Hobsbawm, with particular reference to the fascinating but ultimately unsatisfactory Radio 4 programme in which Simon Schama interviewed the Great Man.
Hobsbawm is generally considered to have been Britiain’s greatest ‘Marxist’ historian (though cases could be made for Christopher Hill and E.P. Thompson – never mind Dorothy Thompson), but I must confess to mixed feelings about him.
On the plus side is the sheer erudition and relative accesibility of his writing (books like the ‘Age of…‘ series of four, culminating in The Age of Extremes), his dogged, non-careerist, life-long commitment to what he saw as the “left” in politics, and his insistence that Marxism must retain its roots in the enlightenment values of the late eighteenth century (an unfashionable view in this era of identity politics and ‘left wing’ grovelling to religion).
On the minus side is his persistent lack of identification with the working class (indeed, he now seemed to say that it no longer exists), his “reality denial” (Robert Conquest’s term) over the Soviet Union, his shameful and evasive record over Hungary in 1956 (the Soviet invasion led Hill and Thompson to resign from the CP while Hobsbawm remained) and his persistent refusal to come to terms with Stalinism itself. The fact that he was – and remained to the end – a person of towering intellect makes these shortcomings less, not more, forgivable. While working class Communist Party members could be forgiven for not knowing about, or believing the truth of, the full counter-revolutionary barbarity of Stalinism, an intellectual like Hobsbawm has no such excuse. As David Caute once put it “One keeps asking of Hobsbawm: didn’t you know what Deutscher and Orwell knew? Didn’t you know about the induced famine, the horrors of collectivisation, the false confessions, the terror within the Party, the massive forced labour of the gulag? As Orwell himself documented, a great deal of evidence was reliably knowable even before 1939, but Hobsbawm pleads that much of it was not reliably knowable until Khrushchev’s denunciation of Stalin in 1956.”
And it’s certainly disturbing to read this record of a 1994 TV exchange with Michael Ignatieff, which suggests that whether or not Hobsbawm knew about the full extent of Stalin’s crimes, is not the point anyway:
Ignatieff: What that comes down to is saying that had the radiant tomorrow actually been created [in the USSR], the loss of fifteen, twenty million people might have been justified?
Hobsbawm: Yes.
So I have to to come down against Hobsbawm. I think my mind was made up when I read Interesting Times when it came out in paperback a few years ago. I’d been looking forward to reading what this great historian and critical Eurocommunist would have to say about what was probably the single most despicable and shameful episode in the history of the Comintern: the Stalin-Hitler pact. Here’s what he wrote (in its totality, in that particular book) on the subject:
“[S]ince the line-change of the autumn of 1939, it was not the war we had expected. in the cause for which the Party had prepared us. Moscow reversed the line which the Comintern and all European Parties has pursued since 1935 and had continued to pursue after the outbreak of war, until the message from Moscow came through. Harry Pollitt’s refusal to to accept the change demonstrated that the leadership of the British Party was openly split on the issue. Moreover, the line that the war had ceased to be anti-fascist in any sense, and that Britain and France were as bad as Nazi Germany, made neither emotional nor intellectual sense. We accepted the new line, of course. Was it not the essence of ‘democratic centralism’ to stop arguing once a decision had been reached, whether or not you were personally in agreement? And the highest decision had obviously been taken. Unlike the crisis of 1956 (see chapter 12) most Party members – even the student intellectuals – seemed unshaken by the Moscow decision, though several drifted out in the next two years. I am unable to remeember or to reconstruct what I thought at the time, but a diary I kept for the first few months of my army service in 1940 makes it clear that I had no reservations about the new line. Fortunately the phoney war, the behaviour of the French government, which immediately banned the Communist Party, the behaviour of both French and British governments after the outbreak of the Soviets’ winter war against Finland made it a lot easier for us to swallow the line that the western powers as imperialists were, if anything, more interested in defeating communism than in fighting Hitler. I remember arguing this point on the lawn in the Provost’s garden at King’s [college of Cambridge University - JD] with a sympathetic sceptic, the mathematical economist David Champernowie. After all, while all seemed quiet, if not somnolent, on the western frront, the only plans of the British government for action envisaged sending westyern troops across Scandinavia to help the Finns. Indeed one of the comrades, the enthusiastic public school boy and boxing half-blue J.O.N. (‘Mouse’) Vickers – he actually looked more like a large weasel than a mouse, thin, quick and mobile – was due to be sent there with his unit when the Russo-Finnish war ended. For communist intellectuals Finland was a lifeline. I wrote a pamphlet on the subject at the time with Raymond Williams, the future writer, critic and guru of the left, then a new, militant and obviously high-flying recruit to the student Party. Alas, it has been lost in the course of the alarums and excursions of the century. I have been unable to rediscover a copy. And then, in February 1940, I was at last called up.”
So, we know what Hobsbawm thought about the Stalin-Hitler pact at the time; we know what he thought about the Russo-Finnish war; we know about his Cambridge student comrades and the lost pamphlet written with Raymond Williams: but what we don’t know, because we’re not told, is what Hobsbawm thought by 2002 about the pact. This evasion is, ultimately, inexcusable.
iPlayer for Schama interview here.
SteveH said,
October 2, 2012 at 6:23 pm
“Ignatieff: What that comes down to is saying that had the radiant tomorrow actually been created [in the USSR], the loss of fifteen, twenty million people might have been justified?
Hobsbawm: Yes.”
But, you make this calculation all the time with your servile imperialist apology. You lot often point out how civilising the British empire was, how it brought advancement to the natives and you say all this despite the mountain of corpses that went along with the civilising. So cut out the hypocrisy.
“and his insistence that Marxism must retain its roots in the enlightenment values of the late eighteenth century ”
Erm, no. Marx moved beyond enlightenment values before he left university and criticised them ruthlessly, placing them within the context of class interest. Have you not been paying attention?
representingthemambo said,
October 2, 2012 at 6:56 pm
Steve
I have to confess to finding some of the abuse and vitriol directed at you on this blog a bit over the top.
But seriously: “servile imperialist apology”? What in god’s name are you talking about?
Good piece by the way Jim, summed up very well what a lot of us I’m sure are thinking about Hobsbawm. He contributed a great deal but made some colossal errors.
Rosie said,
October 2, 2012 at 8:01 pm
Could you produce ONE comment or post that says “how civilising the British empire was” on this site from either Jim or myself?
SteveH said,
October 2, 2012 at 7:42 pm
When you serve as cheerleaders for the Iraq war, posting stories of girls taking piano lessons in newly ‘liberated’ Iraq – the sort of sickening propaganda that only the most dystopian of minds can dream of, then servile apology is being kind I would say.
However, and I have said this on this site before, I don’t usually get involved in such abuse and I usually like to conduct myself in a reasonable way and argue out in good faith, but when in Rome………
So with the sects, who all have their particular brand of purity, you cannot be civil, you cannot be grown up. You must indulge in childish name calling,
My history has never been in the sects, I have always been a trade unionist, only ever voted Labour. Much of the petty arguments of the sects were a complete surprise to me, much of the names were unknown to me, I had never heard of Cliff, Matgamna etc etc. The only Marxists I knew were from a copy of Mclellan’s Marxists after Marx that my dad owned. I only found about them when I started looking up socialism on the net. I was quite astonished to find people on the left who supported the Iraq war, that was a real shock. I never realised the left hated each other more than they hate the enemy. Healthy debate is one thing but this is a spiteful, hate filled war. I looked up socialism on the net with the genuine hope of actually fucking engaging with people but you just get sucked into this shit.
None of it serious, we are no different to You-Tube posters arguing about the fat boy dancing in his underpants while holding a lightsaber.
Niall Ferguson and Eric Hobsbawm « Representing the Mambo said,
October 2, 2012 at 7:47 pm
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Rosie said,
October 2, 2012 at 7:58 pm
I listened to the Schama interview and Schama did not want to press Hobsbawm too hard re Stalin & Communism. In fact Schama seemed to hero worship him as a great historian who had changed the way history is done, so the interview leant to being soft. Hobsbawm’s charm and passion came across and after all the excuse-making for crappy theocrats that you get in parts of the left today, it was a real charge to hear Hobsbawm championing enlightenment values
I ‘ve read a couple of Hobsbawm’s books and he is a colourful and entertaining writer, giving you the little detail that sticks with you – eg the invention of the wireless made the working-class housewife’s life much less lonely.
I found Timothy Snyder’s account sympathetic:-
To be a man of Hobsbawm’s generation was to have experienced the collapse of capitalism in the Great Depression, to be a Jew of Hobsbawm’s generation was to have seen the rise of Hitler and Nazi Germany. In those years of the 1930s, the years when Hobsbawm was a brilliant youth, was to face what seemed to be a binary choice, to be with the Nazis or against them. And no one seemed to be more against the Nazis than the communists. Hobsbawm joined the Communist Party as a very young man, and was loyal, in his way, to the end.
Communism also offered, as perhaps no non-religious ideas do today, a sense of community. To belong to the Communist Party was to have a sense of conspiracy, a loyalty to friends who had suffered and would suffer more, and a collective sense that the struggle was not in vain, for a more glorious world could and would come. Like religion for Americans, who repeat that “things happen for a reason,” communism offered a logic of pain and progress. Every arrest, every sentence to a concentration camp, every execution was not just a moment of horror, but further proof of capitalism’s decadence and weakness.
……..
Eric was certainly loyal to the memory of old comrades, and he was certainly sentimental about his own youthful past. In his old age, I suppose without any kind of certainty, he found himself in a historical moment, our own, which still seemed like an age of ideology, with his own ideology in the weaker position. And he was a fighter. As he edited the past according to his own ideology, warping history in a way that can only be troubling, he was defending a Soviet state that no longer existed, and ideas which seemed dead. But wrong as it was, it did embody certain virtues. There is something to be said, after all, for defending the weak, even today, especially today.
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/10/01/opinion/hobsbawm-communism/index.html
SteveH said,
October 2, 2012 at 8:28 pm
“Could you produce ONE comment or post that says “how civilising the British empire was” on this site from either Jim or myself?”
This is typical of the dishonesty and inability to admit what you actually believe shown by Shiraz and the posse. You always claim you were never for the Iraq war, despite numerous opinions and articles and arguments that say the opposite, including a propaganda piece about a young girl playing the piano in ‘liberated’ Iraq. It really doesn’t get more sickeningly servile than that.
As for British colonial rule, Denham has engaged in many debates about the British in India and the colonial empire. How you can deny any of this is beyond disbelief.
e.g. from Denham
“The possibility of socialism is predicated upon the development of advanced capitalism. Imperialism is an advanced stage of capitalism. It is (or at least, was) objectively progressive in that it helped create the objective conditions for socialism. Marx was able to recognise the progessive nature of colonialism (the “Age of Imperialism” didn’t begin until after Marx’s death) whilst simultaneously acknowledging its cruelty and sympathisimng with anti-colonial struggles”
Why doesn’t he apply these standards to the rule of Stalin, who revolutionised and industrialised the Soviet region? Why have a go at Hobsbawn while apologising for British colonialism and its 20 million plus dead. Does Jim Denham think British colonialism was worth the mountain of corpses, of course he fucking does and we all know it!
Michael Moran said,
October 2, 2012 at 8:30 pm
John Saville is a great forgotten Marxist historian, much better than Hobsbawm imho
Jim Denham said,
October 2, 2012 at 11:01 pm
SteveH: the statement (by me) that “The possibility of socialism is predicated upon the development of advanced capitalism. Imperialism is an advanced stage of capitalism. It is (or at least, was) objectively progressive in that it helped create the objective conditions for socialism” is simply a-b-c Marxism.
You are, of course, free to disagree. But if you do so, you are not a Marxist. You are self-evidently an ignorant jerk on the subject of the enlightenment – a fundamental basis of Marxism, as Hobsbawm whatever his faults, recognised.
You ask, “Why doesn’t he apply these standards to the rule of Stalin, who revolutionised and industrialised the Soviet region? “: because Stalinism proved itself to be a historic dead-end, and was overthrown by the working class. Or haven’t you noticed?
And, by the way, it is possible to oppose the crimes of capitalism without having to endorse the crimes of Stalinism. It is also possible to be an anti-capitalist whilst recognising that bourgeois democracy is preferebale to either Stalinism or fascism.
Or do you think the Stalin-Hitler pact was OK?
I’ve already asked you to explain and justify why you can possibly object to (as you put it) “girls taking piano lessons in newly ‘liberated’ Iraq” and you have failed to answer. My explanation is that you are a sick fuck.
I’ve had enough of you and your imbecilic stupidity and backwardness. You have ceased to serve even an educative purpose. Goodbye. And don’t come back.
Scott said,
October 3, 2012 at 12:20 am
‘Imperialism is an advanced stage of capitalism. It is (or at least, was) objectively progressive in that it helped create the objective conditions for socialism” is simply a-b-c Marxism…You are, of course, free to disagree. But if you do so, you are not a Marxist.’
This rather undermines the praise for EP and Dorothy Thompson in your post, Jim, because both thought that imperialism had often, though not necessarily always, retarded rather than developed the productive forces of the Third World. The negative role of imperialism was one of EPT’s great preoccupations.
EPT thought that Britain had ripped the wealth out of India and China and bought off its own working class in the late nineteenth and twentieth century – he expresses this view as early as 1955, in the biography of William Morris. And in many of 1970s and early ’80s texts he makes it clear that he sees Stalinism and imperialism as two sides of the same coin in the developing world. He was particularly struck by the way that Althusserian, pro-Moscow communist intellectuals and US-trained neo-liberal technocrats were collaborating in Emergency India when he visited that country in 1976/77.
And I think Hobsbawm himself denies that imperialism developed the productive forces of Peru in his study of that country’s history.
On a different note: it’s not quite as easy as it might seem to contrast the attitude of Hobsbawm towards the Soviet Union with those of Thompson, Hill, and Saville. Hill and Thompson didn’t leave the CPGB at the same time, and didn’t leave solely because of Hungary. Thompson, along with Saville, was gone before the end of ’56, but Hill stayed on in the hope of reforming the party and presented the minority report of democratic centralism at the emergency conference in 1957. After that document was voted down he left. Hobsbawm supported the minority report but decided to stay on in the party after the emergency conference.
I’m not sure about Hill, but the Thompsons and Saville have all used Hobsbawm’s explanations for why they remained in the CPGB so long at one point or another. In his last interview, which he gave to Penelope Corfield shortly before his death, EP Thompson defended the role of the orthodox communist movement in the 1930s and ’40s in the much the same terms as Hobsbawm, arguing that, for all its faults, it was the best hope for humanity at the time. In The Poverty of Theory Thompson calls the decade from 1936 to ’46 the ‘decade of heroes’, and suggests that it was only after the beginning of the Cold War that the rot set in inside parties like the CPGB. Saville was unrepentant about his time in the CPGB in his autobiography.
I don’t think, then, that it’s very easy to divide the Communist Party Historians Group into ‘good’ and ‘bad’ camps, acccording to their views on the Soviet Union and Stalinism.
But the interesting question about Hobsbawm, and indeed EP Thompson, is: how did such flawed politics, which were rooted in the Popular Front years of the 1930s, not prevent the writing of such fine histories? Why have the Popular Fronters done so much better, intellectually, than, say, the Trotskyists who correctly criticised them? Why did the Popular Front and pro-Moscow communism get all the best historians (and all the best poets, for that matter!)?
Jim Denham said,
October 3, 2012 at 8:37 am
Thanks for that,Scott. You raise some very interesting questions that are worth pondering. Just one small point for now: whilst it is undeniable that Marx’s fundamental view (eg most obviously in The Communist Manifesto) was that capitalism was progressive and laid the irreplacable basis for socialism, his writings on “imperialism” (in the sense of capitalist accumulation within a world market) is much less extensive, and sometimes contradictory. He certainly seemed to think that British rule in India, while “inflicting misery … of an essentially different and more intensive kind than all Hindostan had to suffer before” was also potentially progressive BUT “The Indians will not reap the fruit of the the new elements of society scattered amongst them by the British bourgeoisie, till in Britain itself the now ruling classes shall have been supplanted by the industrial proletariat, or till the Hindoos themselves have grown strong enough to throw off the English yoke altogether” – The British Rule in India (1853)
It is also interesting (I think) to note that Lenin, so often cited by crude “anti imperialists” on the basis of his brief and simplistic ‘The National Question’ had previously set out his undertanding of imperialism in two long essays ‘On the so-called Market Question’ and A Characterization of Economic Romanticism’ about which John Weeks (in the Dictionary of Marxist Thought) writes:
“The purpose of these two essays is both to defend Marx’s theory of accumulation against underconsumptionist arguments and thereby develop a theory of the capitalist world market, and to demonstrate the progressive nature of capitalism, in order to criticise utopian socialism.”
One final point: in the quote from myself, please note my words in brackets: “(or at least, was)”.
entdinglichung said,
October 3, 2012 at 10:28 am
with the “decade of heroes”, Thompson refers mainly to those, who sacrificed their lives fighting fascism, including his brother Frank Thompson who was executed in 1944 in Bulgaria after parachuting and joining the partisans there … and in countries like Germany, many joined the Stalinist CPs after 1945 not because of Stalin & Co. but because of the example of local rank and file members who e.g. died for sabotaging arms production or fraternizing with enslaved foreigners and POWs or who survived years of imprisonment in concentration camps
entdinglichung said,
October 3, 2012 at 10:39 am
there were and are quit a number of brilliant scholars of “trotskyist origin”: CLR James, Roman Rosdolsky. Michael Löwy, Alan Wald, Enzo Traverso, Harry Braverman, Martin Glaberman, Robert Brenner, Ernest Mandel, Stepahanie Coontz, Helmut Dahmer, etc.
Monsuer Jelly More Bounce to the Ounce said,
October 3, 2012 at 2:29 pm
you are correct. entinglichung. probably more as well if i could be arsed to do some thinking on the matter. isn’t it.
Monsuer Jelly More Bounce to the Ounce said,
October 3, 2012 at 8:53 am
Just recently re-read this
http://www.communistvoice.org/29cOutline.html
very good outline of lenin’s *actual* anti-imperialism as opposed to the utter shite spouted by thick fuckking cuent’s ‘anti-imperialism’ bollox spewing dicks .
Scott said,
October 3, 2012 at 3:36 pm
I think Thompson’s view is that during the ‘decade of heroes’ from 1936-46, when there was a ‘Guevara on every street’, the influence of Stalin and other bureaucrats was nullified to a considerable extent by the heroism of the communist rank and file and the forward momentum of history. In the late ’40s, though, history ‘froze’, as the Cold War began, and the bureaucrats were once again in control. The inflicting of Zhdanovism on the international communist movement’s intellectuals and writers in the late ’40s symbolised this freeze, for Thompson. The glory days of the Popular Front were over, in the realm of culture and ideas at least, and the philistine harshness of Class Against Class had returned.
Whether or not you find this view of the ’30s and ’40s amenable, it is much, much closer to those of Hobsbawm than those of most strands of Trotskyism. It’s very distant, as well, from the viewpoint of Orwell – a man detested by John Saville and deeply distrusted by the Thompsons.
My point is just that it’s not very easy to separate ‘good’ members of the Communist Party Historians Group from the ‘bad’ Hobsbawm, on the basis of their views of the 1930s and ’40s and related issues (technically EP Thompson wasn’t a member of the CPHG – he was active in the party’s writers’ group, and never intended to become a historian – but he seems to have been given retrospective membership!).
I agree there are some fine scholars in the Trotskyist tradition, but I don’t see any concentration of brilliance that can equal either the Popular Front poets of the ’30s or the group of historians who cut their teeth in the CP after the war. I think that even though the politics of the Popular Front were mistaken, to put it mildly, the emphasis on looking deeply into national histories and cultures and finding progressive elements there (discovering Blake and Coleridge as dialecticians, for example!) really served the Popular Front intellectuals well. It gave them a wonderful depth and confidence.
I certainly agree that Marx was pro-imperialist with a vengeance in 1848, which is why the pro-war crowd loved to invoke him back in 2003.
Many scholars, including Hobsbawm, in his introduction to the Grundrisse, detect significant changes later on, but arguing about which Marx is best seems to me a bit like arguing about which period of Miles Davis is best. The answers tend to depend on the sympathies and agenda of those making the judgement. Like Davis, Marx did everything at least once.
Jim Denham said,
October 3, 2012 at 5:17 pm
There seems to be a minor fashion just at the moment, of comparing political figures with Miles Davis: a couple of days ago it was Tony Blair:
http://www.politicshome.com/uk/article/62572/tony_blair_and_the_picasso_of_sound.html
Monsuer Jelly More Bounce to the Ounce said,
October 3, 2012 at 4:46 pm
ostlers place. cooments, dear me.
Lee said,
October 3, 2012 at 7:08 pm
How bad has that got you ask? Well here is demented capitalist Saucer Michael Ezra linking to this article on his twitter
“Douglas Murray with an amusing take on flattering eulogies to Hobsbawm”
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/douglas-murray/2012/10/a-great-historian-with-fascist-tendencies-has-died/
Also he seems to have deleted his retweet of this Stephen Pollard post
“I can’t join in the panegyrics for Eric Hobsbawm. His championing of communism was morally no different to a call for Nazi rule.”
Demented cunt
Faster Pussycat Miaow! Miaow! Miaow! said,
October 3, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Nothing I read — or rather don’t read — at The Gates of Haringey surprises. Red-baiting, racist, far-right, Jabotinskyist, Thatcherite diarrhoea.
‘There was a muzzie in my street the other day, so I spoke to my contact at MI5 (he’s not really in the BNP you know) and it was all dealt with. It restores your faith in good old British common sense and decency.’
‘You give Palestinians a country and they don’t want it.’
Back in the 60s they would have been saying of the struggle for civil rights ‘we abolished slavery, what more do they want? Let them use their own perfectly functional washrooms. Look we saved them a bit at the back of the bus.’
‘Capitalism is fhe best system for making hedge fund managers stinking rich, eva!’
Scott said,
October 3, 2012 at 9:09 pm
Oh dear: that Tony Blair comparison is alarming! Though I can imagine Blair liking one of those sappy pop albums Miles did in the 1980s.
Miles Davis got into a relatively young genre of music that offered all sorts of unexplored possibilities and explored them all rapidly, changing focus and style with a pace that is extraordinary. Arguably, he wound up a little disillusioned with the genre, as he struck its limits in the mid-’70s.
I think that Marx turned up when capitalism was new and when sufficient empirical data existed to study the world in a more systemic way than was previously possible. New ‘genres’ like sociology and economics were being born around him. He seems to me to have explored a range of possible attitudes to capitalism and modernity and pillaged a whole series of sources – first philosophical, and later empirical – in an effort to get a handle the world around him. He ended up, I think, a little uncertain about which approach and attitude were best, which is one of the reasons why Capital was never finished. Just as later musos have spent whole careers following the path Miles Davis opened up with a single album, so Marxists have spent books filling out one line of enquiry Marx followed. And just as it is probably impossible for anyone today to be as creative as Marx, it is probably impossible for a jazz innovator as dynamic as Miles Davis to appear on the scene today. We’re all standing in Marx’s shadow as well as on his shoulders.
Roger McCarthy (@RF_McCarthy) said,
October 4, 2012 at 8:46 pm
Very much a Hobsbawm-hater for the reasons you give and who hasn’t read anything of his since Bandits and The Invention of Tradition but Donald Sassoon’s obituary suggests that at least his later writings might be worth a look:
http://www.opendemocracy.net/donald-sassoon/remember-us-with-forbearance-unrepentant-eric-hobsbawm-obituary
Roger McCarthy (@RF_McCarthy) said,
October 4, 2012 at 8:59 pm
Re the why did the popular fronters produce so much stuff than the Trots?
Its pure demographics – after the Russian Trotskyists died in the camps the movement was reduced to a few hundred members globally, growing perhaps to a few thousands in the fifties and never more than tens of thousands in the seventies.
In comparison there were literally millions of communists so statistically there were were many times more writers amongst them.
Even so bearing this huge imbalance in mind the Trots did pretty well – particularly if you include the heretics and fellow travellers like Victor Serge, Dwight MacDonald and the New York Intellectuals who were associated with the Shachtmanites.
Scott said,
October 5, 2012 at 8:16 am
Roger, I was thinking about Brit Trots in general, not just those of Hobsbawm’s generation. I know that there have been some worthwhile books produced by British Trotskyists, for instance Alex Callinicos’ Marxism and Philosophy, but I can’t think of anything to compare with Thompson’s The Making of the English Working Class, Williams’ The Country and the City, Hobsbawm’s Labouring Men, and Hill’s work on the English revolution.
Nor do ‘creative’ writers to rival Auden and Spender and Upward seem to have aligned themselves with Trotskyist groups. I think that there was something in the Popular Frontist call for the exploration of British cultural tradition which was inspiring. I don’t think Thompson would have ever become a historian if he had not written his huge book on Morris, and he would never have thought of writing that book if he hadn’t been exposed to a Popular Front milieu.
Talking of Thompson, check out this new treat on youtube:
Roger McCarthy (@RF_McCarthy) said,
October 7, 2012 at 10:41 am
The point about Auden, Spender, Upward etc is that they didn’t just not align themselves with British Trots (of whom there were probably about a dozen in the late 1930s compared to tens of thousands of CPGBers and fellow travellers) but with the Stalinists for whom the Trots were literally agents of fascist and imperialism.
Not at all sure about the PF’s attempting to wrap itself in the glorious British cultural past as the authors you cite were generally modernists rather than lovers of what Leavis was to later call The Great Tradition – and the one great anti-Stalinist British leftist Orwell was in fact the man who most obviously drew his inspiration from that tradition.
(Thompson I’d argue was a bit young to count as a PFer – WW2 clearly being far more decisive in his political formation) .
As for the lack of great or even decent Trotskyist writers from the UK again I see that as purely down to there never having been more than a few thousand active Trots at any point and to the largest sects (the SLL/WRP, the SWP after its re-invention as the Leninist Vanguard and Militant) all having been if anything actively anti-intellectual.
As the New York Shachtmanite intellectuals illustrate there really had to be a minimal critical mass of bright creative people more or less in one place with access to serious non-party journals (Partisan Review and Dissent playing this part in NY) to associate with and fire off each other and so generate something that is more than the sum of its parts – and we British Trots never achieved that.
(Arguably had the IS not transformed itself into Tony Cliff’s personality cult and Fantasy Bolshevik Re-Enactment Society they just might conceivably have played the role that Shachtman’s faction did in the 1940s and 1950s – but that was not to be).