Norway’s Oklahoma

July 23, 2011 at 5:46 pm (anti-fascism, hell, Human rights, humanism, india, Jim D, Norway, terror)

So, the perpetrator of the Oslo outrage was a white Norwegian Christian-fundamentalist fascist who hated ‘multi-culturalism’ and Muslims.

I would hope that it’s common ground on the left (and not just the “left”, but all decent people), that the following apply:

1/ We cannot conceive of even the slightest degree of sympathy for this fascist;

2/ We must not say anything to the effect of “Norway had it coming“;

3/ We must not attempt to excuse this crime with vacuous talk of “victimhood” or “justified grievance

This was an action by a fascist- who is probably a nutter- and we must treat it as such: our only concern should be to defeat and crush him and any movement he is associated with.

Above: the “blond, blue-eyed” Anders Behring Breivik.

The left must say “No pasarán!” to far-right terrorism: full stop.

Whether it’s by a white fascist religious fanatic against innocent white people…

…or by brown fascist religious fanatics against innocent brown people:

Injured victims of a bomb explosion are loaded onto a truck to be taken to hospital in the Zaveri Bazaar area of Mumbai

Above: victims of Islamo-fascist terrorism in Mumbai, India, July 2011

Details of the Oklahoma bombing here.

17 Comments

  1. Jelly is the word said,

    …..as opposed to liberal haters of multi culturalism such as yourselves.

    Amazing that you turn this tragic event into an attack on the left using the loosest possible kind of analogy. Next you will be saying the Palestinians have no right to resist oppression….oh wait that is your position isn’t it.

    Pathetic but oh so typical

  2. Jim Denham said,

    “Next you will be saying the Palestinians have no right to resist oppression….oh wait that is your position isn’t it”… eh, no. Idiot.

  3. Jelly is the word said,

    “our only concern should be to defeat and crush him and any movement he is associated with”

    Like Zionists for example?

    “or by brown fascist religious fanatics against innocent brown people”

    Or indeed by white European fanatics against brown people:

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7942

  4. Jim Denham said,

    “Like Zionists…”: there you go again: you’re obsessed, aren’t you? It’s called antisemitism. And, by the way, most fascist movements and parties are strongly “anti-Zionist.”

    “Or indeed by white European fanatics against brown people”:

    Say what you mean…

    …or shut the fuck up, idiot.

  5. sackcloth and ashes said,

    Jelly is the word …

    You are shit on the shoe of humanity. You and Anders Breivik are kindred spirits, insofar as you can only define yourself by your vile ideology and your putrid hate politics.

    Just fucking die. I mean it.

  6. Jim Denham said,

    He may not have been as anti-islamist as we said. Apparently, he wrote:

    An alliance with the Jihadists might prove beneficial to both parties but will simply be too dangerous (and might prove to be ideologically counter-productive). We both share one common goal. They want control over their own countries in the Middle East and we want control of our own countries in Western Europe. A future cultural conservative European regime will deport all Muslims from Europe and isolate the Muslim world. As a result, the Islamists will gain the necessary momentum to retake power in several countries: Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Jordan, Syria, Yemen, Oman, Algeria, Morocco and a few others.

    The Jihadists know this very well. An Islamic Caliphate is a useful enemy to all Europeans as it will ensure European unity under Christian cultural conservative leadership.

    How this type of scenario could play out:

    Approach a representative from a Jihadi Salafi group. Get in contact with a Jihadi strawman. Present your terms and have him forward them to his superiors:

    1. Ask for “hudna” (temporary truce) during the discussions/proposal and demand assurances not to be harmed if they reject our offer. Ask if this is acceptable to them.

    2. If they accept, try to meet at a neutral place (not like there is a neutral place on Muslim territory) or at least a relatively public place (which will make it harder for them to betray your arrangement) and present your offer. They are asked to provide a biological compound manufactured by Muslim scientists in the Middle East. Hamas and several Jihadi groups have labs and they have the potential to provide such substances. Their problem is finding suitable martyrs who can pass “screenings” in Western Europe.

  7. Monsieur Jelly est formidable said,

    just a note to say tha jelly cuernT above has no connection to the original Mr Jelly of thgese here parts. That is aall.

  8. sackcloth and ashes said,

    UnityMitford’s ‘contribution’ to this tragic story is a fatuous piece calling on the UK government to treat the threat of neo-Nazi terrorism in Britain seriously.

    I pointed out that the latest version of CONTEST covered far-right terrorism as well as that from AQ, dissident Irish Republicans etc. I also pointed out that anti-terrorist legislation had been used to convict the likes of Trevor Hannington and Michael Heaton, thereby stopping them from committing the type of atrocities that Anders Breivik had inflicted two days ago.

    My comment was deleted. Surprise, surprise.

  9. maxdunbar said,

    Thing is there will be apologetics from the right, to the effect that ‘Unless we ban immigration more and more people will be driven to this’

  10. sackcloth and ashes said,

    There will be Max, and they have to be refuted in much the same way as the apologists for AQ’s violence are.

  11. johng said,

    time to call time on visiting this site i think.

    • sackcloth and ashes said,

      Yeah, John, it’s for left-wingers not Strasserite filth, so clearly you’re no longer comfortable here.

      You can take skidmark with you as well.

  12. Jim Denham said,

    A very strange article by Alsak Sira Myhre (former leader of the Norwegian Red Electoral Alliance) in today’s ‘Graun’ (where else)?

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jul/24/norway-tragedy-extremism-europe

    Some of the strangeness may be because English is not the author’s first lanaguage; indeed, the article may be a translation. But that doesn’t explain the wacky content of the piece, which fits in all too well with what we’ve come to expect in the ‘Graun”s comment pages.

    After apparently condemning the early assumption that the attacks were the work of Islamists, he then goes on to effectively argue that this was a natural and understandable reaction that he shared:

    “There is of course, another reason why everybody looked for al-Qaida. Norway has been part of the war in Afghanistan for 10 years, we took part in the Iraq war for some time, and we are eager bombers of Tripoli. There is a limit to how long you can partake in war before war reaches you.

    “But although we all knew it the war was rarely mentioned when the terrorist hit us. Our first response was rooted in irrationality: it had to be ‘them’. I felt it myself. I feared that the war we took abroad had come to Norway…”

    In other words, it’s OK to have assumed it was the work of Islamists (even though it wasn’t), so long as your reasoning was “Norway had it coming.”

  13. skidmarx said,

    Why would Jim “I will fight to the death the likes of the SWP and Respect” Denham feel the need to prove how macho he is about anti-fascism when a fascist who believes that marxists are handing Europe over to Muslims has just massacred dozens of people?
    How dare those Norwegians capture this terrorist and think of giving him a trial when the only right thing to do was to kill him immediately and dump his body in the sea?

  14. Jim Denham said,

    Skidiot: now you’re not even coherent.

  15. Martin Ohr said,

    one of the more unpleasant things about this whole affair is to see the various strands of left opinion queuing up to cash-in on the tragedy.

    Those attemping to blame Israel/zionism/jews aren’t much worse than those attempting to blame some other rival strand of politics; Socialist Unity and Harry’s place have covered themselves in shame, I’m hoping that socialist worker(+cpgb and the rest) having witnessed the current gutter slagging matches of the blogosphere don’t follow suit in the blame/vindication game.
    ___________
    In reality there isn’t all that much that we can say or need to say about the actual events, other than the gut human emotions of intense sympathy and the solidarity with our comrades in the fight against fascism.

  16. maxdunbar said,

    It begins:

    This afternoon, I called Tommy Robinson, the E.D.L.’s leader, who called Breivik a “nutcase,” but said that European politicians risked similar atrocities if they didn’t start addressing “the fucking elephant in the room.” “I think it was predictable,” Robinson said of the attack. “I think it’s disgusting, and my thoughts and prayers are with all the victims. We don’t want English lads blowing themselves up on our soil, but that will happen if they don’t give us a platform.” He continued, “I don’t think any of them understand the undercurrent of anger. He’s just a sick lone individual, but you’ve got a lot of angry people. And if British politicians don’t learn from this, God forbid, it might happen again.”

    Robinson has, in essence, threatened UK citizens with murder unless he gets his ‘platform’

    http://hurryupharry.org/2011/07/25/where-have-we-heard-this-sort-of-threat-before/

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