Sudan: woman lashed by government-sponsored thugs
This is not the only interpretation of Sharia law, but it’s the one that the Sudanese government believes in. Relativist liberals and Guardianistas who think all cultures are worthy of “respect” really should watch this. But be warned, it’s truly horrible veiwing:
Steve said,
December 14, 2010 at 9:05 am
Sick, reminds me of Abu ghraib. Just remind me which culture that came from Mr Telegraphista?
To remind comrades see this link:
http://www.antiwar.com/news/?articleid=2444
paul fauvet said,
December 14, 2010 at 7:23 pm
And, bang on schedule, up pops an “anti-imperialist” idiot, who imagines that nothing can ever be worse than what American troops got up to in Iraq. Equivalent perhaps, but never worse. For we all know that American imperialism is the worst thing in the world, and life in Omar al-Bashir’s Sudan, or in theocratic Iran, or in the prolerarian paradise of North Korea could never be worse than living under the rule of the US government.
Here are some rather significant differences between Abu Ghraib and Sudan.
1. Not only were the Abu Ghraib torturers violating US law, but some of them were court-martialled, and dishonourably discharged. The two soldiers deemed most responsible for the torture received prison sentences of over ten years, and their commanding officer was demoted from Brigadier-General to Colonel.
Any Sudanese policemen been arrested, jailed or demoted for beating up women? Of course not! For women are inferior beings, and beating them up for wearing the wrong clothes is divinely ordained.
2. Steve may not have noticed, but the man who was President of the United States at the time of the tortures is no longer in power. The American voters change their president every now and then. Omar al-Bashir, on the other hand, seized power in Sudan in a coup d’etat in 1989, and has been in office ever since, rubber stamping his position through a fraudulent “election” earlier this year.
But ultra-leftists of Steve’s type have never let a few boring and bourgeois facts stand in their way. It is a given of their politics that all the evils of the world can be blamed on US and British imperialism.
Between May 2004 and March 2006, eleven soldiers were convicted in courts martial, sentenced to military prison, and dishonorably discharged from service. Two soldiers, Specialist Charles Graner, and his former fiancée, Specialist Lynndie England, were sentenced to ten years and three years in prison, respectively, in trials ending on January 14, 2005 and September 26, 2005. The commanding officer of all Iraq detention facilities, Brigadier General Janis Karpinski, was reprimanded for dereliction of duty and then demoted to the rank of Colonel on May 5, 2005 for a pending misdemeanor shoplifting charge filed years earlier.
Steve said,
December 15, 2010 at 7:57 am
Thanks Paul, but what has law got to do with anything? We are talking about cultural relativism here, I remind you of the quote “Relativist liberals and Guardianistas who think all cultures are worthy of “respect” really should watch this.”
So do you deny that the actions of US troops are part of US culture? Or do you think law = culture?
Do you think it is of any comfort to the victims of Abu ghraib that Bush is simply out of office because he served his 2 year term and that the republicans lost because of the economy, stupid, and not due to cultural crimes in Iraq or Afghanistan or anywhere else US culture asserts itself.
So a few of the crimes committed in Iraq and Afghanistan were made accountable, what does that amount to, 1%, 2%. Big fucking deal. And what of the fact that no senior war criminal has been brought to account? Such is the culture of might is right.
You are an idiot pro imperialist, who manages to change the argument to fit your your idiot views.
Steve said,
December 15, 2010 at 8:41 am
A further point,
This article is using a single video shot to damn an entire culture. No major problem with that, it’s the pro imperialist tinged call to classify cultures that I can’t stomach. It is a position dripping in the blood and enslavement of millions of dead people through colonialism and imperialism
It is akin to apology for the holocaust.
paul fauvet said,
December 15, 2010 at 2:31 pm
Steve wants senior war criminals to be brought to account. Good! So was he in favour of putting the butcher of the Balkans, Slobodan Milosevic, on trial?
Is he in favour of the trial of the Milosevic henchman, Radovan Karadzic, and would he also favour putting the architect of the Srebrenca massacre, Ratko Mladic, on trial, if and when he is eventually tracked down?
And Steve may have noticed that there is a warrant out for the arrest of Omar al-Bashir on charges of war crimes and genocide. Do you want to see this “senior war criminal”, in your words, dragged to the Hague? Or would you rather carry on apologising for his loathsome regime?
humanitarikim said,
December 15, 2010 at 6:44 pm
I blogged about this very topic yesterday, too. I compared the belittlement of women in the Bible to that in the Quran. I find that religion is all the same, just to varying degrees.
Evil.
http://humanitarikim.wordpress.com/
Steve said,
December 15, 2010 at 7:50 pm
“So was he in favour of putting the butcher of the Balkans, Slobodan Milosevic, on trial?”
Yes and no. Yes because he was clearly a brutal bastard but no because the most powerful would never ever subject themselves to the same standards. But it happened, he was put on trial, he was held to account. Basically justice in this world is the preserve of the powerful and that is a preserve I want to fight, not defend like you wish to. Fucking shameful idiot pro imperialist.
Erica Blair said,
December 16, 2010 at 5:41 pm
Fauvet is a notorious supporter of the genocidal sanctions against Iraq.
charliethechulo said,
December 16, 2010 at 7:40 pm
Try arguing against what he says, Erica. I don’t think you can.
charliethechulo said,
December 17, 2010 at 8:19 pm
Further protest by women: even the pro-Islamist/ Stalinist ‘Morning Star’ covers it:
http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/index.php/news/content/view/full/98901
Dr Khalid Al Mubarak said,
December 18, 2010 at 1:24 am
From
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/16/flogging-sudan-woman-policemen-outcry
Your correspondent Xan Rice was fair and objective when he wrote that the flogging of a young woman “even attracted condemnation in some pro-government newspapers” (YouTube video of Sudan flogging sparks inquiry, 14 December). In fact, the outcry denouncing police brutality shows the vitality of Sudanese media and civil society. In a statement, our embassy in London wrote: “The rogue policemen in question have carried out an assault which has nothing to do with Sudan’s laws or with Islamic sharia. Their unprecedented brutality is their shame as individuals, and does not reflect the standards and values of police service in Sudan.” An inquiry is under way.
Dr Khalid Al Mubarak
Media counsellor, Sudanese Embassy
maxdunbar said,
December 18, 2010 at 3:04 pm
This is a first for us: the PR people at the Sudanese embassy turn up in the Shiraz comment threads!
paul fauvet said,
December 19, 2010 at 6:51 pm
The Sudanese embassy doesn’t seem to be on the same wavelength as the loathsome Sudanese President, the indicted war criminal Omar al-Bashir.
He said of his same case: “If she is lashed according to Sharia law, there is no investigation. Why are some people ashamed? This is Sharia”.
star said,
December 19, 2010 at 9:56 pm
Looks like that Sudanese cop will quite rightly be held to account for his actions. That is more than can be said of Brit cops who continually get away with much worse than just giving someone a bit of a spanking.
So yes, Brit and Yank imperialism as well as the apartheid state of Israel are the worst genocidal murderers and war criminals the world has seen since the Nazis.
charliethechulo said,
December 19, 2010 at 10:02 pm
” a bit of a spanking”!!!:
You sick fuck, ‘star’.
I hope you’re given ” a bit of a spanking” one day.
star said,
December 19, 2010 at 10:08 pm
Well I have, usually courtesy of cops on demos. If you look at the video properly despite the womans hsteria only a few of the lashes actually made contact, she wasn’t bound and gagged and was able go keep getting up and scream at the cop, which is more than most victims of Brit pig brutality are able to do after their ordeal. Did that poor student who was almost batoned to death the other day manage to walk away after his ordeal?
jim denham said,
December 19, 2010 at 10:30 pm
star: you are indeed one sick fuck-pig. You are not worth engaging with.
star said,
December 20, 2010 at 12:04 am
You just did by commenting you imperialist zionist pig. Denial is all very well but just look at the evidence, that woman didn’t exactly end up in hospital with brain damage or shot on the tube on the work was she?
jim denham said,
December 20, 2010 at 12:09 am
Carry on, please. Just keep digging that hole, fuck-pig.
star said,
December 20, 2010 at 12:14 am
You still havent answered the question. Did that woman end up in hospital with brain damage or not?
jim denham said,
December 20, 2010 at 12:17 am
I dunno. I *do* know that you are a fuck-pig.
star said,
December 20, 2010 at 12:21 am
So you admit that the fascist Brit cops are generally worse than their colleagues in other countries? How many Brit cops have ever been held to account and faced trial for murder and brutality? Answer none. Do you agree?
jim denham said,
December 20, 2010 at 12:26 am
No. Educate yourself, fuck-pig.
star said,
December 20, 2010 at 12:28 am
Can you name one case in which a Brit cop has been convicted for murder and brutality then? Just one example will do.
jim denham said,
December 20, 2010 at 12:33 am
Keep digging, fuck-pig:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/British-Police-Officers-Convicted-Murder/dp/1156211328
star said,
December 20, 2010 at 12:40 am
No names there, justa link to a book. There has been not a single conviction for murder and brutality while in the course of duty. Blair Peach? Jean Charles de Menezes? Harry Stanley? Shiji Lapite? Colin Roach? Brian Douglas? Ian Tomlinson? and many many others.
jim denham said,
December 20, 2010 at 12:41 am
Read the book, fuck-pig. If you’re capable of reading a whole book.
star said,
December 20, 2010 at 12:44 am
Well Ill have to buy it and have better things to spend my money on. Have you read it? Perhaps you can enlighten me then? Who has been convicted for what and when? Am not including incidents of murder and assault outside the course of duty, ie domestics, etc.
jim denham said,
December 20, 2010 at 12:46 am
“outside the course of duty, ie domestics, etc”: read the book, fuck-pig.
star said,
December 20, 2010 at 12:49 am
Well have you read it? Simple question isn’t it? All Im asking is that if you know more than me about this issue please tell and Ill concede that I’m wrong. Have no problem at all admitting that I may have got it wrong.
jim denham said,
December 20, 2010 at 1:23 am
Learn up about bourgeois democracy as opposed to totalitarianism.