Fascists still want to kill Jews

October 30, 2010 at 1:21 pm (anti-semitism, fascism, islamism, Jim D)

October 30, 2010 7:17 a.m. EDT

Synangogues were the targets.

A suspicious package contained a "manipulated" toner cartridge that had white powder on it, a law enforcement source said.
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Never forget it; never excuse it.
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Vienna, Austria 1939  Daily “Intifada” December 14, 20001

Creating a land “Free of Jews”

After World War II, many of both European and Arab states, as illustrated in the tables below, have been rendered virtually judenrein (free of Jews-Hitler’s term), in spite of the thriving populations in both European and Arab states prior to the war.

TABLE A. 
The Jewish Population
in Europe2

  1930s 1956
Austria 191,000 12,000
Belgium 60,000 35,000
Bulgaria 48,000 6,000
Czechoslovakia 356,000 18,000
Denmark - 6,500
France 260,000 250,000
Germany 503,000 25,000
Great Britain 300,000 450,000
Greece 73,000 6,000
Holland 112,000 25,000
Hungary 444,000 135,000
Italy 48,000 33,000
Latvia 93,000 -
Lithuania 155,000 -
Poland 3,113,000 50,000
Rumania 758,000 190,000
Russia (incl.
 Asiatic Russia)
3,021,000 2,500,000
Sweden - 13,000
Switzerland 18,000 20,000
Turkey
 (European)
52,000 60,000
Yugoslavia 69,000 6,500
Other Countries 49,000 12,800
Total 9,654,000 3,773,800
TABLE B. 
Estimated Jewish Population
In Arab Countries 3 

  pre-1948 1979-1982
Iraq 125,000-135,000 200-300 
Egypt 75,000 250
Syria 30,000 4,300-4,800
Yemen
Aden
55,000
8,000
1,200
Morocco 265,000 18,000
Algeria 130,000-140,000 300-400
Tunisia 105,000 2,500-4,000
Lebanon 5,000 200
Libya 38,000 15-20
Of more than 9,654,000 Jews in Europe before W.W.II, less than half remain. in spite of the fact that several tens of thousands returned to Europe after the war.  Approximately 6 million Jews were killed by the Nazi’s as the British reduced immigration quotas to “the Jewish National Homeland” to a token amount. Of more than 850,000 Jews in Arab lands before Israel’s statehood, fewer than 29,000 remain, the vast majority fleeing to Israel fleeing religious persecution.

Saudi Arabia

Saudi Arabia has been excluded from the chart because Jews have long been forbidden to enter, much less live in what has been deemed “moderate” Saudi Arabia — with the notable exceptions of Henry Kissinger, when he was the United States Secretary of State; Secretary of Defense Harold Brown in 1979; and perhaps a few selected Jewish academicians, businessmen, or journalists. Saudi Arabia, where thriving and influential communities of Arabian Jews existed at the time of Islam’s creation in the seventh century,4 has maintained a “moderate” policy that totally excludes Jews. As the Saudi Arabian Ambassador to The Hague said, upon Dutch Foreign Minister Max Van Der Stoel’s proposed visit to Saudi Arabia in 1975,

No Jewish journalist will be allowed into Saudi Arabia to cover Mr. Van Der Stoel’s visit…. Official policy has always been to refuse entry to Jews because they support Israel as a state.5

Noting the bigotry inherent in the Saudis’ avowed institutionalized discriminatory practices, Foreign Minister Van Der Stoel canceled that visit. He advised the Dutch Parliament that

The government of Saudi Arabia has informed me that it will not issue an entry visa for the Netherlands journalist representing Vrij Nederland Naturally, every government has the right to decide which foreigners it wishes to allow into its country. On the other hand, I want to emphasize that the government of the Netherlands utterly rejects any form of discrimination on the grounds of race or religion,6 which might form the basis for granting such an entry permit.7

That same month, a London journalist reported that, during his visit to Saudi Arabia,

My guide insists on giving me a copy of that horrifying old forgery about the Jews’ plot to conquer the Arabs: The Protocol of the Elders of Zion. It turns out that all visiting journalists are given it.8

The Kingdom of Jordan

The Kingdom of Jordan also has been excluded from the table, because no Jews lived there in 1948, although the Jewish presence in the major portion of Palestine — which is presently “Jordan” — had existed long before the seventh-century creation of Islam. In fact, many of the Jews who had survived massacres in Arabia, only to be expelled in the seventh century from their lands in the Arabian Peninsula, had fled and found refuge in the large Jewish settlements of Eastern Palestine  — more than a thousand years before that eastern territory of mandated Palestine became perceived as a separate “kingdom” of “‘Transjordan” in 1922.
 

“the West Bank”

Jews who had dwelt on historical Palestinian terrain both east of the Jordan River and in the area called “the West Bank” were driven out of that land’s Arab-dominated towns over the past half century by sporadic pogroms and pillage, so that by the 1940s the Palestinian towns in Transjordan and the West Bank were considered “purely Arab” — already purged of their former Jewish population. The Jews once living in the area of Palestine known as Jordan and the West Bank had become “Palestinian Jewish refugees” as the result of Arab violence. And the fact that there are Jewish “Palestinian refugees” of twentieth-century vintage is overlooked even in Israel.  These refugees found safety only in the predominantly Jewish-settled areas of Palestine’s coastal plain, which today is Israel. By 1948, the more than seventy-five percent of Palestine that the British had allocated to the Arabs as “Transjordan” already had been efficiently purged of all Jews, through periodic Arab onslaughts upon the various long-established Jewish communities. Despite that fact, the Jordanian government’s nationality law of 1954 sought to safeguard its would-be racial purity: According to that law “Palestinian” living in Jordan was entitled to Jordanian citizenship unless he as a Jew.9
 

Muftism and Nazism: World War II Collaboration. Documents 
(examples of original correspondence)

1) U.S. Confirms Role of Mufti as Nazi Middle East Leader

OFFICE OF U.S. CHIEF OF COUNSEL
FOR PROSECUTION OF AXIS CRIMINALITY

No. 792-PS
17 September 1945Source of Original OKW Files, Flensburg

[Excerpt]

LEADS: CANARIS, IBN SAUD, GRAND MUFTI.

SUMMARY OF RELEVANT POINTS (with page references):

1. Only through the funds made available by Germany to the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was it possible to carry out the revolt in Palestine. (Page 1).

2. Germany will keep up the connection with the Grand Mufti. Weapons will be stored for the Mufti with Ibn Saud in Arabia. (Page 2).

3. Ibn Saud himself has close connections with the Grand Mufti and the revolting circles in TransJordan. (Page 2).

4. To be able to carry out our work one of Germany’s agents will be placed in Cairo (Page 3).

5. The document is undated but obviously written before the outbreak of the war in 1939. It is not signed.

Analyst Landmann                  Doc. No. 792-PS

Source:The Arab Higher Committee, Its Origins, Personnel and Purposes, The Documentary Record Submitted to The United Nations, May 1947, by Nations Associates.

2) Summons to a Intifada Against Britain
A “Fatwa ” Issued by Haj Amin al-Husseini10, May, 1941*

* Translated from:-“Oriente Modemo,” 1941, pp. 552-553; broadcast over the ‘Iraqi and Axis radios.

In the name of Merciful and Almighty God.I invite all my Moslem brothers throughout the whole world to join in the Holy War for God, for the defense of Islam and her lands against her enemy. O Faithful, obey and respond to my call.

O Moslems!

Proud ‘Iraq has placed herself in the vanguard of this Holy Struggle, and has thrown herself against the strongest enemy of Islam certain that God will grant her victory.

The English have tried to seize this Arab-Moslem land, but she has risen, full of  dignity and pride to defend her safety, to fight for her honor and to safeguard her integrity. ‘Iraq fights the tyranny which has always had as its aim the destruction of Islam in every land. It is the duty of all Moslems to aid ‘Iraq in her struggle and to seek every means to fight the enemy, the traditional traitor in every age and every situation.

Whoever knows the history of the East has everywhere seen the hand of the English working to destroy the Ottoman Empire and to divide the Arab countries. British politics toward the Arab people is masked under a veil of Hypocrisy. The minute she sees her chance, England squeezes the prostrate country in her Imperialist grasp, adding futile justifications. She creates discord and division within a country and while feeding it in secret openly she assumes the role of advisor and trusted hiend. The time when England could deceive the peoples of the East is passed. The Arab Nation and the Moslem people have awakened to fight British domination. The English have overthrown the Ottoman Empire, have destroyed Moslem rule in India, inciting one community against another; they stifled the Egyptian awakening, the dream of Mohammed Ali, colonizing Egypt for half a century. They took advantage of the weakening of the Ottoman Empire to stretch out their hands and use every sort of trick to take possession of many Arab countries as happened to Aden, the 9 Districts, the Hadramut, Oman, Masqat and the Emirates of the Persian Gulf and Transjordania. The vivid proof of the imperialistic designs of the British is to be found in Moslem Palestine which, although promised by England to Sheriff Hussein has had to submit to the outrageous infiltration of Jews, shameful politics designed to divide Arab-Moslem countries of Asia from those of Africa. In Palestine the English have committed unheard of barbarisms; among others, they have profaned the el-Aqsa Mosque and have declared the most unyielding war against Islam, both in deed and in word. The Prime Minister at that time told Parliament that the world would never see peace as long as the Koran existed. What hatred against Islam is stronger than that which publicly declares the Sacred Koran an enemy of human kind? Should such sacrilege go unpunished? After the dissolution of the Moslem Empire in India and of the Ottoman Caliphate, England, adhering to the policy of Gladstone, pursued her work of destruction to Islam depriving many Islamic States both in the East and in the West of their freedom and independence. The number of Moslems who today live under the rule of England and invoke liberation from their terrible yoke exceeds 220,000,000.

Therefore I invite you, O Brothers, to join in the War for God to preserve Islam, your independence and your lands from English aggression. I invite you to bring all your weight to bear in helping ‘Iraq that she may throw off the shame that torments her. O Heroic ‘Iraq, God is with Thee, the Arab Nation and the Moslem World are solidly with Thee in Thy Holy Struggle!

Source:The Arab War Effort-A Documentary Account The American Christian Palestine Committee (New York, n.d.).

3) The Mufti’s Diary on His Meeting with Hitler

At the eve of the “final solution” to the “Jewish Problem”, 
the Mufti and Adolf Hitler confer in Berlin, November 21, 1941

Haj Amin al Husseini, recording in his own handwriting his meeting with Hitler in his diary, says:

The words of the Fuehrer on the 6th of Zul Qaada 1360 of the Hejira (which falls on the 21st of November 1941) Berlin, Friday, from 4:30 P.M. till a few minutes after 6. The objectives of my fight are clear. Primarily, I am fighting the Jews without respite, and this fight includes the fight against the so-called Jewish National Home in Palestine because the Jews want to establish there a central government for their own pernicious purposes, and to undertake a devastating and ruinous expansion at the expense of the govemments of the world and of other peoples.It is clear that the Jews have accomplished nothing in Palestine and their claims are lies. All the accomplishments in Palestine are due to the Arabs and not to the Jews. I am resolved to find a solution for the Jewish problem, progressing step by step without cessation. With regard to this I am making the necessary and right appeal, first to all the European countries and then to countries outside of Europe.

It is true that our common enemies are Great Britain and the Soviets whose principles are opposed to ours. But behind them stands hidden Jewry which drives them both. Jewry has but one aim in both these countries. We are now in the midst of a life and death struggle against both these nations. This fight will not only determine the outcome of the struggle between National Socialism and Jewry, but the whole conduct of this successful war will be of great and positive help to the Arabs who are engaged in the same struggle.

This is not only an abstract assurance.* A mere promise would be of no value whatsoever. But assurance which rests upon a conquering force is the only one which has real value. In the Iraqi campaign, for instance, the sympathy of the whole German people was for Iraq. It was our aim to help Iraq, but circumstances prevented us from fumishing actual help. The German people saw in them (in the Iraqis-Ed.) comrades in suffering because the German people too have suffered as they have. All the help we gave Iraq was not sufficient to save Iraq from the British forces. For this reason it is necessary to underscore one thing: in this struggle which will decide the fate of the Arabs I can now speak as a man dedicated to an ideal and as a military leader and a soldier. Everyone united in this great struggle who helps to bring about its successful outcome, serves the common cause and thus serves the Arab cause. Any other view means weakening the military situation and thus offers no help to the Arab cause. Therefore it is necessary for us to decide the steps which can help us against world Jewry, against Communist Russia and England, and which among them can be most useful. Only if we win the war will the hour of deliverance also be the hour of fulfillment of Arab aspirations.

The situation is as follows: We are conducting the great struggle to open the way to the North of the Caucasus. The difficulties involved are more than transportation because of the demolished railways and roads and because of winter weather. And if I venture in these circumstances to issue a declaration with regard to Syria, then the pro-de Gaulle elements in France will be strengthened and this might cause a revolt in France. These men (the French) will be convinced then that joining Britain is more advantageous and the detachment of Syria is a pattern to be followed in the remainder of the French Empire. This will strengthen de Gaulle’s stand in the colonies. If the declaration is issued now, difficulties will arise in Western Europe which will cause the diversion of some (German-Ed.) forces for defensive purposes, thus preventing us from sending all our forces to the East.

Now I am going to tell you something I would like you to keep secret. First, I will keep up my fight until the complete destruction of the Judeo-Bolshevik rule has been accomplished.

Second, during the struggle (and we don’t know when victory will come, but probably not in the far future) we will reach the Southern Caucasus.

Third, then I would like to issue a declaration; for then the hour of the liberation of the Arabs will have arrived. Germany has no ambitions in this area but cares only to annihilate the power which produces the Jews.

Fourth, I am happy that you have escaped and that you are now with the Axis powers. The hour will strike when you will be the lord of the supreme word and not only the conveyer of our declarations. You will be the man to direct the Arab force and at that moment I cannot imagine what would happen to the Western peoples.

Fifth, I think that with this Arab advance begins the dismemberment of the British world. The road from Rostov to Iran and Iraq is shorter than the distance from Berlin to Rostov. We hope next year to smash this barrier. It is better then and not now that a declaration should be issued as (now) we cannot help in anything.

I understand the Arab desire for this (declaration-Ed.), but His Excellency the Mufti must understand that only five years after I became President of the German government and Fuehrer of the German people, was I able to get such a declaration (the Austrian Union-Ed.), and this because military forces prevented me from issuing such a declaration. But when the German Panzer tanks and the German air squadrons reach the Southern Caucasus, then will be the time to issue the declaration.

He said (in reply to a request that a secret declaration or a treaty be made) that a declaration known to a number of persons cannot remain secret but will become public. I (Hitler) have made very few declarations in my life, unlike the British who have made many declarations. If I issue a declaration, I will uphold it. Once I promised the Finnish Marshal that I would help his country if the enemy attacks again. This word of mine made a stronger impression than any written declaration.

Recapitulating, I want to state the following to you: When we shall have arrived in the Southern Caucasus, then the time of the liberation of the Arabs will have arrived. And you can rely on my word.

We were troubled about you. I know your life history. I followed with interest your long and dangerous journey. I was very concerned about you. I am happy that you are with us now and that you are now in a position to add your strength to the common cause.

*This is a reply to the insistent request of the Multi for an Axis declaration to the Arabs.

Source: The Arab Higher Committee …. The Documentary Record.
 

4) Ribbentrop Promises Mufti to Destroy Jewish National Home

Ministry of Foreign AffairsBerlin, April 28, 1942
Your Eminence:

In response to your letter and to the accompanying communication of His Excellency, Prime Minister Raschid Ali El Gailani, and confirming the terms of our conversation, I have the honour to inform you:

The German Government appreciates fully the confidence of the Arab peoples in the Axis Powers in their aims and in their determination to conduct the fight against the common enemy until victory is achieved. The German Government has the greatest understanding for the national aspirations of the Arab countries as have been expressed by you both and the greatest sympathy for the sufferings of your peoples under British oppression.

I have therefore the honour to assure you, in complete agreement with the Italian Government, that the independence and freedom of the suffering Arab countries presently subjected to British oppression, is also one of the aims of the German Government.

Germany is consequently ready to give all her support to the oppressed Arab countries in their fight against British domination, for the fulfillment of their national aim to independence and sovereignty and for the destruction of the Jewish National Home in Palestine.

As previously agreed, the content of this letter should be maintained absolutely secret until we decide otherwise.

I beg your Eminence to be assured of my highest esteem and consideration.
To His Eminence           (Signed)         Ribbentrop

the Grossmufti of Palestine
Amin El Husseini.

Source: The Arab Higher Committee           The Documentary Record. Original German, p. 439.
 

5) The Mufti Asks Arab Americans Not to Support FDR

ADDRESS TO AMERICAN ARABSExcerpts from a Radio Speech by Haj Amin al-Husseini
March 19, 1943, in Rome

The Arabs and Moslems will not be deceived by Britain once again because not only have they known its true intentions but they have also known those of Britain’s allies-America-and I want to draw the attention of the Arab emigrants in America to this fact, reminding them of their glorious past when they supported the National movement. I would also like to remind them that their efforts will be wasted if, God forbid, America and her Allies may be victorious in this War because at such a time the Arabs will never rise again. I therefore know that those Arab emigrants in America will refrain from helping Roosevelt or taking part in a war which he brought on to his country.If those Allies win this war the Jewish influence will be the arbiter in the world resources and one can thus imagine the future of the Arabs and Moslems, and the dangers which they are exposed to in their fatherlands and beliefs if the Jews and their Allies dominate them and spread the latent hatred on to them.

Then the world will become Hell–God forbid: But Allah is too just and merciful to grant such murderous violators any victory. We are sure that victory will be ours and that of our friends. We have not the slightest doubt about that, we shall not slacken our struggle nor will we be deterred or quietened. Do not be deceived by the allegations of your enemies, because you know full well about their intrigues, and be sure that the nation which fights, sacrifices and awaits will be the victorious one in the end.

Source: The Arab War Effort, A Documented Account.

6) Himmler to The Mufti

November 2, 1943, message from Heinrich Himmler to an anti-Balfour Declaration meeting:

To the Grand Mufti:The National Socialist Movement of Greater Germany has, since its begining,  inscribed upon its flag the fight against world Jewry. It has, therefore, followed with particular sympathy the struggle of the freedom-loving Arabians, especially in Palestine, against the Jewish interlopers. It is in the recognition of this enemy and of the common struggle against him that lies the firm foundation of the natural alliance that exists between National-Socialist-Greater Germany and the freedom-loving Moslems of the whole world. In this spirit I am sending you on the anniversary of the infamous Balfour Declaration my hearty greetings and wishes for the successful pursuit of your struggle until the certain final victory.

Signed: Reichsfuehrer-S.S. Heinrich Himmler

Source: Tne Arab Higher Committee    The Documentary Record.
 

7) The Mufti Communicates Anger to Ribbentrop
for the Germans’ Release of Jews in 1944

Berlin July 25, 1944
To His Excellency
The Minister for Foreign Affairs, BerlinYour Excellency:

I have previously called the attention of your Excellency to the constant attempts of the Jews to emigrate from Europe in order to reach Palestine, and asked your Excellency to undertake the necessary steps so as to prevent the Jews from emigrating. I had also sent you a letter, under date of June 5, 1944, in regard to the plan for an exchange of Egyptians living in Germany with Palestinian Germans, in which I asked you to exclude the Jews from this plan of exchange. I have, however, learned that the Jews did depart on July 2, 1944, and I am afraid that further groups of Jews will leave for Palestine from Germany and France to be exchanged for Palestinian Germans.

This exchange on the part of the Germans would encourage the Balkan countries likewise to send their Jews to Palestine. This step would be incomprehensible to the Arabs and Moslems after your Excellency’s declaration of November 2, 1943 that “the destruction of the so-called Jewish national home in Palestine is an immutable part of the policy of the greater German Reich” and it would create in them a feeling of keen disappointment.

It is for this reason that I ask your Excellency to do all that is necessary to prohibit the emigration of Jews to Palestine, and in this way your Excellency would give a new practical example of the policy of the naturally allied and friendly Germany towards the Arab Nation.

Yours, etc.

Source: The Arab Committee …. The Documentary Record.
 

Mufti Asks Hungary to Send Jews to Poland

An a Sequel to This Request
400,000 Jews Were Subsequently Killed
 

Rome
June 28, 1943His Excellency
The Miniater of Foreign Affairs for Hungary

Your Excellency:

You no doubt know of the struggle between the Arabs and Jews of Palestine, that It has been and what it Is, a long and bloody fight, brought about by the desire of the Jews to create a national home, a Jewish State in the Near East, with the help and protection of England and the United States. In fact, behind it lies the hope which the Jews have never relinquished, namely, the domination of the whole world through this Important, strategic center, Palestine, In effect their program has, among other purposes, always aimed at the encouragement of Jewish migration to Palestine and the other countries of the Near East. However, the war, as well as the understanding which the members of the Three-Power Pact have of the responsibility of the Jews for its outbreak and finally their evil Intentions towards these countries which protected them until now – all these are reasons for placing them under such vigilant control an will definitely stop their emigration to Palestine or elsewhere.

Lately I have been informed of the uninterrupted efforts made by the English and the Jews to obtain permission for the Jews living in your country to leave for Palestine via Bulgaria and Turkey.

I have also learned that these negotiations were successful since some of the Jews of Hungary have had the satisfaction of emigrating to Palestine via Bulgaria and Turkey and that a group of these Jaws arrived In Palestine towards the end of last March. The Jewish Agency. which supervises the execution of the Jewish program, has published a bulletin which contains Important information on the current negotiations between the Uglish Goverment and the governments of other interested states to send the Jews of Balkan countries to Palestine. The Jewish Agency quoted, among other things, its receipt of a sufficient number of immigration certificates for 900 Jewish children to be transported from Hungary, accompanied by 100 adults.

To authorize these Jews to leave your country under the above circumstances and in this way, would by no means solve the Jewish problem and would certainly not protect your country against their evil influence – far from it! – for this escape would make It possible for them to communicate and combine freely with their racial brethren in enamy countries in order to strengthen their position and to exert a more dangerous influence on the outcome of the war, especially since, as a consequence of their long stay in your country. they are necessarily in a position to know many of your secrets and also about your war effort. All this comes on top of the terrible damage done to the friendly Arab nation which has taken its place at your side in this war and which cherishes for your country the most sincere feelings and the very best wishes.

This is the reason why I ask your excellency to permit me to draw your attention to the necessity of preventing the Jews from leaving your country for Palestine: and If there are reasons which make their removal necessary, it would be indispensable and Infinitely preferable to send them to other countries where they would find themselves under active control, for example, in Poland, in order thereby to protect oneself from their menace and avoid the consequent damages

Yours, etc.

Source: The Arab Higher Committee. Its Origins, Personnel and Purposes. Documentary Record Submitted to the United Nations, May 1947, by the Nation Associates.
 

Hungary Promises to End Jewish Problem

Source: The Arab Higher Committee. Its Origins, Personnel and Purposes. Documentary Record Submitted to the United Nations, May 1947, by the Nation Associates.

1. Scanned in from the PLO Daily “Intifada” December 14, 2000, by  Palestine Media Watch

2. The Standard Jewish Encyclopedia, 1959

3. Current population estimates compiled from the American Jewish Yearbook, 1983 edition, George Gruen, editor, published in New York by the American Jewish Committee; Government of Israel, Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Jerusalem, 1983 figures. Figures for 1948 compiled from the World Organization of Jews from Arab Countries (WOJAC); Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry, “The Position of the Jewish Communities in Oriental Countries,” a memorandum submitted by the Jewish Agency; Hayyirn Cohen, The Jews of the Middle East, 1973, Halsted Press, New York.

4. Medina, Khaibar, Qaraiza; see Chapter 8.

5. March 6, 1975, Rashad Nowilaty, Saudi Arabian Ambassador to The Hague.

6. America established its own precedent in 1885. President Grover Cleveland’s choice for United States representative in Vienna, Anthony Keiley of Virginia, was turned down because, “the position of a foreign envoy wedded to a Jewess by civil marriage would be untenable and even impossible in Vienna,” May 1885, Foreign Relations, p. 48. When the Secretary of State objected to “infraction” of an “essential principle” -never to “inquire into” or “even hear testimony … upon the religious belief of any official,” the Austrian government found a different reason for its objection: an ostensible “want of political tact” exhibited by appointee Keiley on an earlier visit to Vienna. Ibid, p. 55. President Cleveland resolved the matter in his address to the United States Congress on December 8, 1885: “. . . The Government of Austria-Hungary invited this Government to take cognizance of certain exceptions, based upon allegations against the personal acceptability of Mr. Keiley, the appointed envoy, asking that in view thereof, the appointment should be withdrawn. The reasons advanced were such as could not be acquiesced in, without violation of my oath of office and the precepts of the Constitution since they necessarily involved a limitation in favor of a foreign government upon the right of selection by the Executive, and required such an application of a religious test as a qualification for office under the United States as would have resulted in the practical disfranchisement of a large class of our citizens and the abandonment of a vital principle in our Government…. I have made no new nomination, and the interests of this Government in Vienna are now in the care of the secretary of legation, acting as charge d’affaires ad interim.”

7. Statement by Max Van Der Stoel, Dutch Foreign Minister to the Dutch Parliament, The Hague, March 12, 1975, regarding cancellation of official visit to Saudi Arabia.

8. Reported by Anthony Sampson, Observer Review, “Desert Diary,” March 9, 1975, London.

9.Jordanian Nationality Law, Article 3(3) of Law No. 6 of 1954, Official Gazette No. 1171, February 16, 1954.

10. The Mufi of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini was later the notorious Nazi who mixed Nazi propaganda and Islam.  He was wanted for war crimes in Bosnia by Yugoslavia.  His mix of militant propagandizing Islam was an inspriation for both Yasser Arafat and Saddam Husein. He was also a close relative of Yasser Arafat and the current Temple Mount Mufti. “Arafat’s actual name was Abd al-Rahman abd al-Bauf Arafat al-Qud al-Husseini. He shortened it to obscure his kinship with the notorious Nazi and ex-Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Muhammed Amin al-Husseini.” Howard M. Sachar, A HISTORY OF ISRAEL (New York: Knopf, 1976).  The Bet Agron International Center in Jerusalem interviewed Arafat’s brother and sister, who described the Mufti as a cousin (family member) with tremendous influence on young Yassir after the Mufti returned from Berlin to Cairo. Yasser Arafat himself keeps his exact lineage and birthplace secret.  Saddam Hussein was raised in the house of his uncle Khayrallah Tulfah, who was a leader in the Mufti’s pro-Nazi coup in Iraq in May 1941.

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  1. jim denham said,

    From Peter Tatchell:

    Islamist radicalisation at British universities

    A Quilliam Foundation report

    Study highlights intimidation of women, Jewish, gay and Muslim students

    London, UK – 29 October 2010

    The Quilliam Foundation’s latest briefing paper, Radicalisation on British University Campuses: A case study, cites hate incidents at City University in London during the last academic year (September 2009 – June 2010).

    The report suggests that academic institutions can become incubators for extremist, intolerant and potentially violent forms of the political ideology of Islamism.

    Links to an executive summary and the full report are listed below.

    Responding to the Quilliam report, human rights campaigner Peter Tatchell, of the LGBT rights group OutRage!, said:

    “This report is a wake-up call to complacent university authorities and student unions. They too often look the other way while Islamists foment hatred and intolerance among the student population.

    “The vast majority of Muslim students do not share an extremist mindset. They risk
    ostracism and denunciation by fundamentalists.

    “Quilliam have produced a commendable expose of the way Islamist fanatics are bullying and threatening other students. It highlights sexist, homophobic and anti-Semitic intimidation, and the victimisation of Muslims and non-believers who do not adhere to hard-line fundamentalist Islam.

    “Radicalisation often begins with the promotion of misogynistic, queer-baiting and anti-Jewish prejudice; together with the stirring up of hostility against Muslims who believe in other strands of Islam or who have abandoned their faith. Such intolerance is can be a gateway to Islamist extremism. That’s why it should never be ignored or tolerated. City University would never host white supremacists who incite racism and racial violence. Why the double standards?” queried Mr Tatchell.

    Here are examples of Islamist extremists who have been hosted at City University:

    http://www.petertatchell.net/religion/kill-gays-preacher-hosted-by-london-universities.html

    Kings College has also hosted extremist clerics. See here:

    http://www.petertatchell.net/religion/muslim-extremist-hosted-by-kings-college-london.html

    The editor of the City University student newspaper, Fran Singh, has first-hand experience of Islamist harassment, especially after she revealed what they were doing.
    fran@cityinquirer.com
    0781 799 8889

    A spokesperson the Quilliam Foundation said:

    “University campuses have been recognised by policy-makers as key places where Islamist ideologies can spread, but the processes of radicalisation involved have often remained unclear. This paper seeks to address this knowledge gap by identifying the factors on a university campus that may contribute to radicalising an individual towards Islamist-inspired terrorism. Whilst the paper does not suggest that everyone exposed to these factors will become a terrorist, it shows how and why exposure to them can increase the risk of radicalisation towards terrorism as well as illustrating the considerable disruption that such radicalisation can have on campus life.

    “The paper concludes with specific recommendations for universities, students’ unions and government to prevent similar situations from arising on other university campuses.

    “Radicalisation on British University Campuses’ is the latest of Quilliam’s publications to deal with areas where the risk of radicalisation is either high or is poorly understood. Previous reports released in the last year include studies of radicalisation in prisons and on Arabic-language jihadist websites.”

    An executive summary is available here.

    http://www.quilliamfoundation.org/images/stories/pdfs/radicalisation-on-british-university-campuses-executive-summary.pdf?dm_i=JI3,9VVO,2Q60WK,QMSG,1

    A pdf of the full briefing paper can be downloaded here.

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  2. David D. said,

    Yemen, eh? The Jewish community in Yemen predates Islam by some 15 centuries and persisted until recently. There may be a handful of elderly Jews left today. Not enough to justify a bomb, apparently, so they opted for Chicago.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6307745.stm

    http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2009/02/19/66775.html

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jun/07/yemen-jews-exodus-arab-countries

  3. jim denham said,

    IS THERE SIGNIFICANCE IN THE TIMING OF THE PLOT?

    From The Daily Telegraph:

    “The timing of the plot suggests the devices were intended to explode in the run-up to the US midterm elections taking place on Tuesday.

    “Any successful terrorist attack on either US soil or on US aircraft during this period would have had an enormous symbolic and political impact, spreading fear and panic among voters and raising doubts over Barack Obama’s strategy of containing terrorism in Afghanistan. The President’s expected appearance in Chicago today would have given any terrorist attack further significance.”

  4. johng said,

    I take it that this is lifted straight off a Likudist site? (ie one called greater israel?). Very strange that Jim is openly posting this shite. As is usual the actual history of the massive Jewish communities in the rest of the Arab world is completely travestied in favor of an attempt to make sure that Palestinians are treated as ur-Germans. An approach which manages to be racist against both Arabs AND Jews. Very odd Jim.

  5. Sarah AB said,

    johng – I assume there have been times/places in the Arab world when Jewish communities had good relationships with others, and times/places (just as in Europe) when they didn’t – for example, the terrible treatment of Jews in Egypt in the mid c.20. An article about pogroms/rise of Hitler wouldn’t be seen as condemning all European Christians as racist and so what’s wrong with this kind of analysis? Similarly, I don’t suppose most people would have a problem with an article condemning Jobbik – so what’s wrong with identifying similar elements outside Europe?

  6. No apologies said,

    John Game is a long-term apologist for anti-semites. Note that he doesn’t actually say what’s incorrect in the article. Mind you anti-semitism like all racism is irrational, as is John Game.

  7. skidmarx said,

    No aplogies isn’t just another Shiraz sock-puppet dedicated to the lie that all anti-zionist are anti-semites, and his comment should be treated with the reverence and awe it deserves.

  8. No Apologies said,

    Skidmarx and John Game – an anti-semitic double act. Nobody is trying to label all anti-zionists as anti-semitic. But you and Gameboy are right wing ant-semites. I see you’ve been apologising for the anti-semitism of SPSC .

    So again what’s factually incorrect in the article ? Though you’re probably upset that the Mufti didn’t succeed in his aims. I can imagine if Skidmarx and John Game had been around in the early / mid fourties – they’d have been desperately trying to get to Palestine to help the Mufti’s henchmen.

  9. skidmarx said,

    . Nobody is trying to label all anti-zionists as anti-semitic.
    Is “Nobody” another of the Harry’s Place trolls? You really should understand that the people of Shiraz are really quite embarrassed that it is so hard to see any distinction between their Place and yours.

  10. No Apologies said,

    Skidmarx – i’m not an HP troll, i read it occasionally. Again i ask you , what is factually incorrect with this article ? Try and stay relevant to the article instead of being a nasty apologist for anti-semitism.

  11. Pinkie said,

    No Apologies said:

    “Skidmarx and John Game – an anti-semitic double act. Nobody is trying to label all anti-zionists as anti-semitic. But you and Gameboy are right wing ant-semites.”

    “right wing anti-semites”? – don’t take the piss ‘No Apologies’.

    One can only wonder how it is possible to be anti-Zionist, but not anti-Semitic in ‘No Apologies’ estimation. Surely the current custodians of this blog can see that ‘No Apologies’ is beyond rational discourse. Get it together. (And no smart-arsed comments, thank you, Max. I naively expect better from an obstensively leftist blog.)

  12. Rebecca said,

    I don’t think this blog post is about anti-Zionism (that is, opposition to the state of Israel). It’s about Jew-hatred. The people who built those bombs and tried to send them to two synagogues in Chicago were aiming at killing Jews who happen to live in the United States. What’s that got to do with Israel or Zionism? All the information about the Mufti et al is evidence for the influence of old-fashioned Nazi anti-semitism on Islamist movements, something I would think is indisputable (try reading the Hamas charter, which quotes approvingly from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion).

    • maxdunbar said,

      Rebecca

      Good points – every time we write about anti semitism, we get this furious reaction from far left commenters.

  13. skidmarx said,

    I don’t think the blog post is about anti-zionism: it is a post lifted by a member of a supposedly left-wing group from an Israeli expansionist site without openly admitting that this is the case. If Jim were honest about that it might be worth considering whether it is possible or useful to have an honest debate about the meaning and accuracy of the material. As it is, max is doing his usual dishonest thing of claiming that those expressing scepticism are engaging in a furious reaction, whereas it is the commenters on the thread making the usual ill-judged accusations of anti-semitism against such sceptics who are mad reactionaries.

  14. Fascists Still Want to Kill Jews said,

    Skidmarx – what is incorrect in the article ?

    • martin ohr said,

      I think skidmarx is too busy getting a kicking over at Harry’s place for defending holcaust denial to reply to this one.

      In case she/he ever does return here, I repeat the suggestion I made a few months ago, that if skidmarx doesn’t want to be accussed of being an anti-semite then she/he should consider not turning every concievable possible thread into a discussion about how terrible Israel is.

      • skidmarx said,

        Perhaps if Israel stopped being so terrible there would be less justification for calling you out on your anti-Muslim prejudice so often.

        Perhaps you would be so kind as to stop slandering me by suggesting that I support holocaust denial.

      • martin ohr said,

        skidmarx: “there would be less justification for calling you out on your anti-Muslim prejudice so often.”

        sorry comrade, you won’t find a single word or phrase that I’ve written or spoken ever that could be construed as “anti-muslim prejudice”.

        I didn’t saying you support holocaust denial, but I did say that you were busy defending it- I might be wrong on that but I doubt it. Just to be clear do you think that the SPSC cartoons that were used were examples of holocaust denial or not?

        To repeat what I said previously, while I agree with you that Israeli occupation is wrong, most sensibly-minded people would agree with me that the correct word for someone who turns every discussion into a rant against Israel is in fact an anti-semite.

      • Pinkie said,

        One may well wonder about the motives of someone who turns every conceivable thread into a discussion about how terrible Israel is. Without an example of such a person, there is very little that is concrete to base that wondering on. Anti-Semitism may well be the motive for this imaginary person, but even then it would need to be shown that that was the case.

        As it is, this site, and the AWL are very free with accusations of “anti-Semitism”, to the point of rendering the term almost meaningless. Are there any other groups on the left which are not ‘anti-Semitic’ in AWL terms, is there anybody who in good conscience the AWL can work with?

    • skidmarx said,

      Jim Denham – where did you get it?

      • Fascists Still Want to Kill Jews said,

        Skidmarx – What do you disagree with in the article ?

  15. skidmarx said,

    The one they used, no. The ones they didn’t use, maybe I haven’t had time to look carefully.

    Jim – where did you get it?

  16. mcr said,

    Ok, since Denham seems to have gone a bit shy over this point I shall step in,
    The article comes from a site called eretzisroael.org
    The site is plugging and frequently uses as source, a book by Joan Peters called ‘From Time Immemorial’ which the site claims reveals the “stark truth about Middle Eastern History” but is now widely acknowledged to be a forgery, carrying about as much scholarly merit as the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
    The book’s central thesis is that Arabs living in Palestine were all recent migrants who flocked into Israel around the beginning of the 20th century after Jewish settlements had begun, white-washing Israel’s attrocious record of forceful expulsions and ethinc cleansing of the indigenous Palestinian population
    This is what Paul Blair of Capitalism magazine has to say about the book,
    “From Time Immemorial is work of propaganda, with all the bad connotations that term carries. Peters’ case rests upon distortion and fabrication. Time and again, she misconstrues sources in a tendentious manner. She cribs uncritically from partisan works. She conceals crucial calculations, and draws hard conclusions from tenuous evidence. She speculates wildly and without ground. She exaggerates figures and selects numbers to suit her thesis. She adduces evidence that in no way supports her claims, sometimes even omitting “inconvenient” portions of the citation. She invents contradictions in sources she wishes to discredit by quoting them out of context. She “forgets” undesirable numbers in her calculations. She ignores sources that cast doubt on her conclusions, even when she herself uses those sources for other purposes. She makes baseless insinuations and misleading claims. …”

    http://www.capitalismmagazine.com/index.php?news=2140

    Avi Shlaim, an historian at Oxford called the book “completely preposterous and worthless”
    “The book said that there were no Palestinians in Palestine until the Zionists came along and made the desert bloom, and then the Palestinians began to arrive to Palestine. It was a book that was of no value whatsoever, it simply recycled very old and stale Israeli propaganda. But it was a book that American Jews wanted to have, because it completely whitewashed Israel. The book was a huge success and received every accolade in America, until Norman Finkelstein wrote a long review article, in which he exposed the spurious scholarship behind that book.”
    quote taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_Time_Immemorial

    • David D. said,

      Ok, so you don’t like Joan Peters. But citing Shlaim and Finkelstein (who is no historian and whose “scholarship” in this field is zero: he has never published a single paper in a peer-reviewed journal) in rebuttal is like opting for David Irving over Martin Gilbert.

      • skidmarx said,

        Comparing Finkelstein to David Irving is an offensive comparison of a Jew to a Nazi. It seems is OK to protest endlessly when the Israeli state is the subject of a Nazi comparison, but when it’s an opponent of Israel who’s never engaged in any ethnic cleansing it’s perfectly… (well I would say kosher, but apparently to use an ethnic term to describe the actions of those from that ethnic group becomes racism when that group is Jews. Halal better?)

      • David D. said,

        Skidmarx: Norman and David are both frauds who have founded their careers on the ashes of the Holocaust. Perhaps they should join up as as a duo of entertainers.

  17. Rebecca said,

    Well, the site may use Joan Peters, but are the documents it cites (used in this blog post) also incorrectly attributed to the Mufti? I can understand that you don’t want to accept anything from the site because of its general political slant – but does that mean that everything from it is wrong?

  18. Rebecca said,

    I just looked at the site and couldn’t find what was quoted above. Can you give a more exact URL?

  19. Rebecca said,

    Ah, I just found it – http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/nazis.html. Is this directly from Peters’ book (which I don’t own).

  20. Erica Blair said,

    From

    http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~samuel/

    ‘Fact and Fantasy in the Holy Land

    A selection of articles, reprinted by permission, by Middle East writer Samuel Katz. During British Mandate rule, he was a member of the high command of the Irgun Zvai Leumi under the leadership of Menachem Begin. Katz was elected a member of the first Knesset of Israel, and, after the Six Day War, he became one of the leaders of the Land of Israel movement. After the victory of the Likud party in the 1977 election, Samuel Katz joined the new government as adviser to Prime Minister Begin. He has since served as a columnist of Maariv and the Jerusalem Post.’

    Yes the fascist Irgun Zvai Leumi!

    How ironic of Jim Denham to use a fascist source for his propaganda.

  21. jim denham said,

    Erica (and mcr): answer some questions, please:

    1/ Are the facts in the article true or are they not?

    2/ Are the documents used genuine or not?

    3/ Is what is alleged about the Muftui being a Nazi sympathiser true or not?

    4/ Is that photo of the Mufti chatting with Hitler genuine or a forgery?

    PS By the criteria of Erica and mca I’d have thought the Irgun should be called “anti-imperialists”, eh? After all, they fought the Brits.

    PPS: And I have not “gone quiet” except in the sense that I’ve been away from home, busy and unable to get to a computer for a couple of days.

  22. jim denham said,

    John “Gameboy” G comments upon the intcontravertable evidence of anti-jewish racism as “strange that Jim is openly posting this shite”: proof, if it was needed, that he is personally indifferent to anti-semitism…actually, rather approves of it.

  23. Dr Paul said,

    ‘The official propagandists of each of the belligerent camps expose, sometimes quite correctly, the crimes of the opposing camp.Goebbels tells a good deal of truth about British violence in India. The French and English press say a great many penetrating things about the foreign policy of Hitler and of Stalin. Nevertheless, this one-sided propaganda by itself represents the worst chauvinist poison. Half-truths are the most dangerous kind of lies.’

    Leon Trotsky, 1940

    Rather pertinent here, I think.

  24. jim denham said,

    Rather pertinent for people who want to sit on the fence and cop out, eh, Dr Paul ?

  25. jim denham said,

    I got no reply the first time, so I’ll ask again; this time of *anybody*:

    1/ Are the facts in the article true or are they not?

    2/ Are the documents used genuine or not?

    3/ Is what is alleged about the Muftui being a Nazi sympathiser true or not?

    4/ Is that photo of the Mufti chatting with Hitler genuine or a forgery?

  26. jim denham said,

    Oh yes, Skidders and other apologists: you nevber did answe this, dis youi?

    10.No Apologies said,
    October 31, 2010 at 10:17 pm · Edit

    Skidmarx – i’m not an HP troll, i read it occasionally. Again i ask you , what is factually incorrect with this article ? Try and stay relevant to the article instead of being a nasty apologist for anti-semitism

    Answers please, Skidders..or else I’ll have to call you for something nasty…like an apologist for anti-semitism…and we wouldn’t want that, would we?

    • skidmarx said,

      We have ways of making you talk, says Jim.

  27. Erica Blair said,

    I see Denham fails to deny that he uses fascist websites to source his smears of the Palestinian people.

    You do know the Irgun were fascists don’t you Jim?

  28. Erica Blair said,

    From

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/obituaries/article4281213.ece

    From The Times
    July 6, 2008
    Samuel Katz: ideologue of right-wing Zionism
    ‘A leader of the Jewish militia force that bombed Jerusalem’s King David Hotel in 1946, Samuel Katz went on to become one of the most prominent figures to claim that since the late 1970s the Israeli Right had become too soft.

    In the months after the 1967 war, Katz helped to establish the Land of Israel Movement. A precursor to today’s settler movement, the organisation was a political pressure group that campaigned against ceding any of the territory occupied in the war. Instead, it said Israel needed to settle and annexe all land that was in its control.’

    What attracted you to the ideas of Samuel Katz, eh Jim?

  29. jim denham said,

    I note, Erica, that you have, so far, failed to answer my question: are these facts true or not?

    Never mind the source (facts can come from wherever).

    True or not?

    Yes or no?

  30. David D. said,

    You’ll never get them to answer, Jim. There is an old lawyer’s saying, “When the facts are against, you argue the law. When the law is against you, argue the facts. When the law and the facts are both against you, pound the table.” Erica, Skiddles and the others are simply pounding the table.

  31. Erica Blair said,

    Denham seems to think the record of the Mufti’s collaboration with the Nazis is a recent discovery. It was well known at the time and ever since. It has no relevance to current events, but is an obsession of far right Zionists who wish to smear all Arabs as Nazis. perhaps Denham would like to explain why he has joined forces with the far right and trawls their websites for material.

    To play Denhams game, it is also well known that Lehi/The Stern Gang also tried to collaborate with the Nazis. The difference is that their leader Yitzhak Shamir is, unlike the Mufti, still alive and could be put on trial. The Israelis preferred to make him Prime Minister and his followers now run the country.

    Now Jim, what is it that attracted you to a website dedicated to the fascist Irgun Zvai Leumi?

  32. Dr Paul said,

    I’m not copping out of the debate; I’m using Trotsky — whom Jim D probably hero-worships more than I would — to show that the exposure of crimes can be part of a bigger picture of covering up or justifying more crimes. What LDT showed there was repeated after his death by, for example, Stalinists condemning Western governments’ atrocities whilst denying their own, and Western politicians condemning the Stalinists’ ones whilst also denying their own.

    To refer to the original posting: Zionist apologists will bang on about the Mufti of Jerusalem on the grounds that he was — undeniably — a willing dupe of the Nazis. Gilbert Achcar’s The Arabs and the Holocaust, a very anti-Zionist work, outlines this man’s idiocies in great detail. But he was also in historical context a pretty minor figure, although he is given great prominence by pro-Zionist writers: why? To help inculcate the idea that Palestinians and Arabs in general are inveterate Jew-baiters, eternal anti-Semites, and are, by implication, deserving of all that the state of Israel can throw at them.

    Much of the material put up by Jim D on this posting does precisely this: from the Mufti’s collaboration with the Nazis to the recent attempt to air-freight a bomb to a shul in Chicago, you can’t trust these Arabs, or, rather, you can trust these Arabs… to be Jew-baiters.

    The truth can be set in motion as a device to cover one’s own crimes: the undeniable series of crimes committed by the Zionist state against the Palestinians. That is the agenda of those behind the material posted here; I’m not sure what Jim D’s motives are, as I know that he is not unaware of the plight of the Palestinians. Perhaps he will now post some historical documents showing the attitudes of Zionists towards the Palestinians. I’m sure that various human rights organisations in Israel will help him here.

    Anti-Semitism in the Arab world can’t be understood merely by broadcasting a few documents by the Mufti; no more than it can be understood in Europe by a quote or two from Hitler, telling as either of these can be. To comprehend this dead-end and reactionary attitude requires a lot more in the way of an analysis of the rise of anti-Semitic attitudes and Zionism as a political movement in Europe, the machinations of the big powers in the Middle East, the rise of Arab nationalism and its collision with Zionism in the Middle East, and the increasing domination of religiously-based politics over secular politics in the Arab/Islamic world.

  33. maxdunbar said,

    What Denham fails to understand is that if you draw attention to racism against Jews you are either a) a racist or b) a Mossad agent.

  34. This machine kills fascists said,

    Anti-semitism in the West especially in America now takes the form of pro-zionism and is geared towards boosting the self-hating zionist jews (sectarian political judaism) who have taken on board anti-semitism and found themselves in agreement with it. I think you would be hard pressed to find a bigger anti-semite than Jim Denham around in Britain today.

  35. maxdunbar said,

    There we have it.

    Jim Denham is the UK’s biggest racist, and also the world’s most evil man.

    • Pinkie said,

      No, Max, not really, Jim is just one of those faithful few who can’t understand that Matgamna’s falling in and out of love with every single group on the left is the sign of an egocentric failure. Or it’s a success, I suppose, if you’re still standing and get some kind of living out of it.

  36. jim denham said,

    ” I think you would be hard pressed to find a bigger anti-semite than Jim Denham around in Britain today”: I think you would be hard pressed to find a bigger fucking idiot and slanderer in Britain today than tghe person who wrote that. Woody Guthrie is turning in his grave.

  37. skidmarx said,

    ” I think you would be hard pressed to find a bigger anti-semite than Jim Denham around in Britain today”.
    Unless that photo of him took off six inches I’m sure there are taller anti-semites than Jim Denham, and fatter too.

  38. Erica Blair said,

    I answered Denham’s question about the Mufti, explaining that the Mufti got exactly the alliance with the Nazis which was sought by future Prime Minister of Israel and Stern Gang leader Yitzhak Shamir.

    However Denham is strangely silent about his attraction to fascist websites that celebrate the murderous Irgun Zvai Leumi.

    For the record of the Irgun, see

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irgun_attacks#List_of_Irgun_attacks_1937-1948

    From a pro-Irgun site

    http://www.etzel.org.il/english/index.html

    ‘After Ben-Yosef’s execution, the Irgun launched a series of operations against the Arabs. The central acts were the explosions in the Arab markets of Haifa and Jerusalem. On July 6, 1938, a member of the Irgun, disguised as an Arab porter, went into the Arab market in Haifa, placed a large parcel beside one of the barrows in the center of the market and left. Shortly afterwards there was a heavy explosion, which killed 21 Arabs and injured more than 50. A week later a similar incident took place in Jerusalem. A member of the Irgun concealed an electric mine in the Arab market in the Old City. It exploded shortly after the end of the prayer service in the mosque, when a large crowd had emerged onto the street. Eight Arabs were killed and more than 30 injured.’

    So Jim, what attracted you to websites celebrating the fascist Irgun Zvai Leumi?

    • maxdunbar said,

      Not to get conspiratorial, but I’m wondering why Erica Blair has the same basic prose style and stock phrases (‘Perhaps Denham, in his capacity as a Mossad agent, would like to explain why he personally oversaw the slaughter of Gaza’ etc) as our other interlocutors Resistor, Egg etc, who would normally be all over this thread.

      • skidmarx said,

        “Not to get conspiratorial” – I think after your claims that the actual left wants to get Israel because all are secret anti-semites, that ship has sailed.

  39. jim denham said,

    Yes, the usual bunch of nutters, revisionists, conspiracy theorists and anti-semites are out in force again: some of the names are new but the “arguments” (if you want to dignify them thus) remain the same. “Erica” seems a particularly dishonest and/or stupid anti-semite. Time to kick him/her out?

    • skidmarx said,

      Perhaps you could put all the people you don’t like in some sort of camp (perhaps it would sound better to you if I used the German term Lager).

      • Sarah AB said,

        skidmarx – you seem to have a thing about making analogies between Nazis and Jews/those concerned about antisemitism – judging by your comments on that HP thread about the cartoon as well as by this thread. What is the link – what is the point of creating or insinuating a link – between someone considering blocking a commenter from their blog and the Nazis rounding people up in concentration camps?

      • skidmarx said,

        you seem to have a thing about making analogies between Nazis and Jews/those concerned about antisemitism
        It’s not Jews, it’s not those concerned with anti-semitism (and it weakens any point you make to put it in such terms). It’s those who use the incessant dishonest allegation of anti-semitism against the left to justify their own pro-Israeli propagandising, which as can be seen on this thread even extends to far-right supporters of same, being given a taste of their own medicine. If Jim Denham wants as he claims serious debate then he can stop coming out with the sort of crap he does in the comment just above (and throughout).

  40. Erica Blair said,

    That’s no way to talk about a lady Jim.

    Would you now like to tell us why you frequent fascist websites?

  41. jim denham said,

    I don’t debate with anti semites. Bye bye.

  42. Erica Blair said,

    So opposing the Irgun is anti-semitic now?

  43. jim denham said,

    This blog is interested in serious debate, including with people we disagree quite profoundly with. But not with anti-semitic nutters, racists and anti-Israel fanatics like eggface and “resister”/ “erica”. Apart from anything else, eggface and resister are boring, banal and a wee bit, well..thick. Goodbye.

  44. Erica Blair said,

    Shiraz Socialist = Fitou Fascist

  45. jim denham said,

    Oh please just go away you sad little Jew-hater, Resister/erika

  46. MOSLEM SALEHI said,

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