Was Cardinal Newman gay?
“Birmingham Three: This suppression will not stand !
“However much the powers that be sit on this, the scandal of the Birmingham Three just won’t go away, in fact it spreads further and further. Here is Ruth Dudley Edwards in today’s Sunday Independent:
‘What Father Selden had reckoned without was the blogosphere. By the time I heard what had happened to Dermot, speculation was rampant, much of it of the ‘no-smoke-without-fire’ variety. By the time he was permitted to go to the US to do some teaching, he found that there was a widespread belief that to have been punished with indefinite exile suggested ‘The Birmingham Three’, as they are known by sympathisers, were guilty of some terrible sexual sins. Yet on the blogs there were also many, many supporters who believe they have been victimised by the establishment for being forthright defenders of Catholic values in the face of secularist threats (Vincent Nichols, Archbishop of Westminster, is not in favour of too much challenging of the state) and for having eloquently resisted attempts to co-opt Newman as a gay icon.’
All three had been looking forward to the papal visit as the high point of their clerical careers, but although it appears that Father Chavasse will be back for it, the others will remain exiled: three Oratorians who are in complete theological harmony with Pope Benedict are being kept as far away from him as possible. Enquiries from the laity to Father Selden have resulted in a patronising brush-off: the official line is that they were a cause of disunity.
As I write, Brother Berry has been ordered to South Africa for at least a year and the Oratory spokesman tells me the other two await imminent sentence. Their defenders have formed an alliance that includes right-wing Catholics, people of other religions and none, and gays as well as straights, for from personal knowledge I can testify that there is nothing homophobic about Dermot Fenlon, who was much sought-after as a confessor.’
“Read the whole thing here, and also please visit the Free the Birmingham Oratory Three blog. One understands, of course, that such as Selden and Harrison aren’t used to having to explain themselves to the great unwashed, and don’t particularly like the idea, but if I was advising them (hello Jack) my advice would be to get this resolved as soon as possible, preferably by bringing the Three home. Otherwise this fiasco runs the risk of overshadowing the Newman beatification.
“A few further thoughts. Firstly, the splitting up of the Three enables them to be picked off individually, or at least for pressure to be brought on the younger two – Fr Dermot is not known for his fear of rocking the boat, and would be a tough man to pressurise. Secondly, since it’s being spun that Fr Chavasse will soon be returning to Brum, it would seem to me that his exile was not punitive but designed to protect him. Thirdly, why exactly are the Oratorians being allowed to investigate themselves?
“I humbly suggest that there are a few people in Rome who might find this fiasco interesting.”
What the Catholic bigot who produces “Splintered Sunrise” is, in fact objecting to is an alleged “secularist plot” against these three, and the suggestion that Cardinal Newman (almost uniquely, a personally appealing and intellectually worthwhile Catholic figure), just might have been…gay!
Above: Newman towards the end of his life
Peter Tatchell had this to say a couple of years ago:
Violating Cardinal Newman’s wishes
The Pope wants to rebury John Newman separately from the man he loved, Father Ambrose St John
- The Vatican wants to exhume and rebury Cardinal John Henry Newman in a new tomb in Birmingham Oratory church, in preparation for him being made a saint later this year.
The Vatican is embarrassed that Newman is currently buried in the same grave as the man he shared much of his life with, Father Ambrose St John. Although inseparable in life and buried together for 118 years, the Catholic Church now wants to tear them apart.
Newman and St John have been buried side-by-side in a simple grave since Newman’s death in 1890. It was what Newman wanted. He wrote to his executors shortly before his death stating emphatically: “I wish, with all my heart, to be buried in Father Ambrose St John’s grave – and I give this as my last, my imperative will.”
Despite this categorical instruction, the Vatican is now overturning it.
Where is the ethical justification for this desecration? Who gave the Catholic Church permission to defy Newman’s solemn request? Pope Benedict XVI has no right, and no moral or legal authority, to violate the Cardinal’s wishes.
I suspect that most lay Catholics do not approve of the Vatican’s antics. All the Catholics that I know are horrified; believing that these reburial plans are offensive and insensitive.
Ask yourself: how would you feel if this was happening to your partner or a member of your family? Appalled and distressed, I suspect.
I am sure most people would not want something like this to happen to their deceased loved ones. We would not accept the Vatican (or anyone else) reburying our dearest against their wishes.
This seems to be the view of many Christians. A recent Church Times online poll found that 82% were opposed to the separation of Newman from St John and his reburial elsewhere.
To be blunt: homophobia is at the root of the Vatican’s sordid scheme.
I have been tipped off by an insider high up within the Catholic Church. He, too, is appalled; confiding to me that the bid to move the Cardinal’s body is all about burying any hint that he might have been gay and been in love with St John.
This homophobic motive is entirely plausible, given the Vatican’s long-standing cover up of its many past and present gay priests, bishops, cardinals and popes. The church has a well-known anti-gay agenda. It is too bigoted to concede that one it’s revered cardinals, and a future saint, might have loved a man.
Newman was, of course, unaware that he might one day achieve sainthood. But he was mindful that the church might, after his death, seek to intervene in determining the placement of his remains. Although a modest man, he was conscious of his international status as a cardinal and an esteemed Catholic theologian. He feared there might be attempts after he died to transfer his body to a mausoleum. That is why Newman three times added notes to his instructions to his executors which, according to the scholarship of the Christian historian Alan Bray, variously “confirm”, “insist” and “command” that he be buried with St John.
Nothing could be clearer. Newman was absolutely insistent that should be buried for ever alongside the man with whom he shared his life and home.
No Catholic tradition, dogma or ritual about cardinals and saints can justify the Vatican’s heartless, self-serving decision to violate Newman’s categorical, unambiguous instructions. No one gave the Pope permission to defy the cardinal’s wishes. It is an act of shameless dishonesty and personal betrayal by the homophobic Catholic Church.
The Vatican spin doctors have gone out of their way to rubbish claims
that Newman was gay. He was a cardinal and deeply devout, they say,
claiming such a person would never have a gay relationship. This is
nonsense. Thousands of Catholic priests, and even some bishops and
cardinals, are gay and have active same-sex relationships.
The Catholic hierarchy denies the Newman’s homosexuality in the same
way that it denies the existence of these thousands of gay clerics and in the same way that it has attempted to cover up child abuse by thousands of paedophile priests. Homosexuality and paedophilia are not, of course, the same thing. They are different. But I make this point to highlight the Catholic leadership’s tradition of dishonesty and cover-ups.
The Vatican is well known for lying and suppressing the truth. It lied, for example, in its anti-safe sex propaganda which claimed that condoms have tiny holes through which the HIV virus can pass. The lies and denials about Newman should be treated with the same contempt.
Although we cannot know for certain, it is not unreasonable to believe that Cardinal Newman might have had a loving, stable, long-term same-sex relationship. The passion of his letters and writings about Ambrose suggest this possibility.
Down the ages, lots of clergy have had gay relationships. Indeed, about one-quarter of the current Catholic priesthood is estimated to be gay. Why should anyone be surprised by the suggestion that Cardinal Newman might have had a same-sex relationship? It would not be extraordinary. It is fairly normal in the priesthood.
There is little doubt that Newman and St John were mentally and spiritually in love; sharing a long-term same-sex relationship. They were inseparable. They lived together for over 30 years, like a married husband and wife.
Newman wrote in his diary about Ambrose’s love for him: “From the first he loved me with an intensity of love which was unaccountable.” He later added: “As far as this world was concerned, I was his first and last.’”
Newman also stated that St John had come to him as the angel Raphael
came to Tobias, as Ruth to Naomi.
Reflecting on St John’s death, Newman stated: “This is the greatest affliction I have had in my life … he was my earthly light.”
The cardinal was not exactly macho. His soft, gentle, effeminate demeanour is typical of what we often associate with gay men. There were allegations during his lifetime about his circle of young homosexual friends.
It is impossible to know whether the relationship between Newman and St John involved sexual relations. Equally, it is impossible to know that they did not.
To be fair and to err on the side of caution, it is likely that both men had a gay orientation but chose to abstain from sex. Sexual abstinence does not, however, alter a person’s orientation. A person can be gay and sublimate their gayness into spiritual and other non-sexual relations and pursuits.
Perhaps we should also look to Newman’s memorial stone at Birmingham Oratory for clues. It has an inscription that could be read as a posthumous coming-out concerning their relationship:
“Ex umbris et imaginibus in veritatem” (From shadow and images into truth).
shane said,
August 16, 2010 at 12:39 am
“What the Catholic bigot who produces “Splintered Sunrise” is, in fact objecting to is an alleged “secularist plot” against these three”
You have totally missed the point. Splintered Sunrise said nothing about a ‘secularist plot’ (RDE suggested something along those lines, but she knows nothing about Catholicism), nor did he object to intimations that Cardinal Newman was gay. If you check back at his series of posts on this saga, you’ll see quite clearly his disgust (shared by the Oratory’s parishioners, who are devastated) at the highly authoritarian way in which three innocent priests have been mysteriously exiled and silenced, meaning they’ll be forced to miss what should be the most important event in the history of their congregation. Fr Felix Selden is refusing to give any explanation to distraught parishioners and it’s all over the Catholic blogosphere. I don’t understand how you came to your conclusion.
jim denham said,
August 16, 2010 at 1:15 am
Shane, I’ll take your word for it that I have “totally missed the point”: in which case, please explain why Mr Sunrise quotes (presumably, approvingly), Ruth Dudley Edwards writing as follows:
“They have been victimised by the establishment for being forthright defenders of Catholic values in the face of secularist threats (Vincent Nichols, Archbishop of Westminster, is not in favour of too much challenging of the state) and for having eloquently resisted attempts to co-opt Newman as a gay icon” ..?
shane said,
August 16, 2010 at 1:31 am
All Splinty is really saying here is that the media is now picking up on the priests’ treatment (“just won’t go away, in fact it spreads further and further” and “a culture of secrecy and silence is not going to fly these days. It especially isn’t going to fly given an increasing unwillingness amongst the faithful to keep quiet for fear of rocking the boat. Indeed, the fact that you are reading this on the interwebs tells you that we are long past the point where there were a couple of weekly papers that could be leaned on by the Magic Circle if an inconvenient story needed suppressing[...]The other is that Ruth Dudley Edwards is on the case, and Ruth is a fairly heavy hitter in the media. The longer this drags on, the more it will spread“) .
Fr Felix Sheldon assumed that he could do this in the sly – without it being noticed. Splinty is constantly arguing that the Catholic blogosphere has torn away the secrecy of ‘Magic Circle’ internal operations and the elitist ‘cliqueness’ of it all.
jim denham said,
August 16, 2010 at 1:41 am
With all due respect, Shane, you haven’t answered my question.
My further point is that Mr Sunrise masquerades as some sort of socialist, whereas he’s clearly a Catholic, and a fanatically anti-Israeli one at that. Part of a long and distasteful Irish Catholic / republican tradition:
http://frontpagemag.com/2010/06/18/allied-in-anti-semitism/
shane said,
August 16, 2010 at 2:03 am
I don’t think quoting RDE’s piece signifies that he agrees with her analysis. Splinty would know that Ruth’s analysis is superficial anyway – but the significance of RDE’s article lies in the fact that that a manifest injustice (which some would prefer to be covered up) is being popularly highlighted. He linked to it because he wanted to draw the attention of non-Irish Catholics (who wouldn’t have noticed it otherwise) to this development.
I don’t know whether he is a Catholic or not. I am Irish, Catholic and anti-Israel. But I don’t see anti-Israel opinions as being peculiarly Irish or Catholic. Most (nay, almost all) socialist blogs are fervently anti-Israel.
jim denham said,
August 16, 2010 at 2:10 am
” Most (nay, almost all) socialist blogs are fervently anti-Israel”.
Interesting, Shane. If by “anti-Israel” you mean critical of Israel’s present policies, especially towards the Palestinians, then fine.
If by “anti-Israel” (especially “fervently anti-Israel”) you mean that you think the state of Israel has no right to exist (even behind 1967 pre-borders)…then I would call that anti-semitism. Something that the Roman Catholic Church is institutionally guilty of. As are many (not all, of course) Catholics, both “left” and right.
Darius Jedburgh said,
August 16, 2010 at 3:01 pm
“Mr Sunrise masquerades as some sort of socialist, whereas he’s clearly a Catholic”
Were St Ambrose, St Thomas Aquinas and Fransisco Suarez “masquerading” as socialists too? Or Pope Paul VI when he wrote Populorum Progressio?
Catholic social teaching *is* a radical form of socialism, Mr Denham.
sweetsuzette said,
August 16, 2010 at 3:57 pm
Mr Sunrise might be Catholic now but I suspect it was not always thus. I believe I knew him in a former life when he was a member of the IMG based in Oxford if my memory serves me well. He was noted even then for being very enthusiastic about the unconscious Trotskyist direction that he believed the IRA to be taking and his hatred for Israel.
Kuching Hitam said,
August 16, 2010 at 4:36 pm
St Ambrose (339-397AD) a ‘socialist’ without the material base necessary for socialism? Verily a miracle!
sweetsuzette said,
August 16, 2010 at 5:45 pm
Thinking on Mr Sunrise I also recall that he had been a Jesuit and the catamite of a well placed member of that order. He was then but a beardless stripling.
splinteredsunrise said,
August 16, 2010 at 9:13 pm
Jim, you live in Birmingham. This is quite a big story locally, and has been featured on BBC West Midlands. It shouldn’t be too difficult to grasp that we’re talking about some authoritarian hierarchs in the Catholic Church meting out severe punishment to three men who they admit have committed no offence. You don’t have to be a Catholic to see the injustice, but you’ve got the wrong end of the stick so comprehensively that you seem to have painted yourself into an alliance with the Oratorian leadership and Opus Dei. Nice one, Jim.
As for Newman and his relationship with St John, nobody can doubt their bond was intense but there’s no evidence of a sexual relationship and plenty of evidence that both took their vows of celibacy seriously. In any case, Newman lived in an age where “gay identity” as currently construed would have meant absolutely nothing to him. Even for Peter Tatchell, claiming that his gaydar works on men who’ve been dead for over a century is a bit silly, and him claiming Newman as a Poove Power icon can only be taken as a deliberate wind-up. A few years ago he was winding up the Orangemen by claiming King Billy was gay; next he’ll be going to some Rastafarian gathering and claiming Haile Selassie was gay. It’s what Peter does, and if the Grauniad fell compelled to print his every raving then more fool them.
Darius Jedburgh said,
August 16, 2010 at 9:17 pm
Kuching Hitam: It seems to me eccentric to presuppose an historical materialist conception of socialism. Surely the essence of socialism is a conception of the institution of property as at best completely subservient to the common good and espeicially to the needs of the poor:
“You are not making a gift of what is yours to the poor man, but you are giving him back what is his. You have been appropriating things that are meant to be for the common use of everyone. The earth belongs to everyone, not to the rich.” Ambrose, de Nabute
Will said,
August 17, 2010 at 1:20 am
China has taken the second spot in largest economy in the werld today.
Max Dunbar said,
August 17, 2010 at 5:16 am
Splintered Sunrise gets himself into a state over the idea of two priests holding hands but is sanguine about the idea of priests raping and torturing children.
splinteredsunrise said,
August 17, 2010 at 2:33 pm
Max: learn to read.
Darius Jedburgh said,
August 17, 2010 at 7:55 am
I’m afraid the contorted (and unacknowledged) edit is to no avail. Doesn’t ‘”left wing,” in the usually understood sense of the term’ basically mean “socialist”? So that if the Church’s social teaching is socialist, it is ipso facto ‘”left wing,” in the usually understood sense of the term’. In any case, the issue is whether there is anything contradictory in the stance of Mr Sunrise’s blog, and I’m pretty sure he doesn’t think of that as ‘”left wing,” in the usually understood sense of the term’ *as opposed* to socialist.
Are the Latin American liberation theologians, or the very many other Latin Americans who think of themselves as Catholic socialists, not “‘left wing” in the usually understood sense of the term’? What about Irish republicans? Was Graham Greene not really Catholic? Or not really “left wing”? Your false opposition is ignorant and parochial.
neprimerimye said,
August 17, 2010 at 12:42 pm
Left wing and right wing simply refer to which side of the room the factions at in the revolutionary assembly during the Great French Revolution. it need not have any reference to socialism whatsoever.
Although if the concept of socialism is to be connected to collectivism then the Roman catholci church is by definition socialist as it collectively owns property in that manner. Moreover the Early Church was without a doubt a communist body with regard to both its ideaology and its material being.
That said a reading of the Communist Manifesto would seem to suggest that not all forms of socialism are progressive in the sense that Marx used that term.
Darius Jedburgh said,
August 17, 2010 at 1:27 pm
neprimerimye:
The claim that this is all that “left wing” and “right wing” mean in current discourse is simply too fantastic to require a response.
The words of St Ambrose I quoted above make it clear that Catholicism is socialist in a much deeper sense than simply that is “collectively owns property”!
I doubt whether many socialists of any kind would nowadays count, or want to count, as “progressive in the sense that Marx used that term,” insofar as that use of the term commits one to a not very plausible macro-theory of history.
I suspect that the contortions on display here in aid of maintaining that Catholic social teaching can’t *really* be socialist reflect a desire among secular-minded socialists to sustain a comfortable and habituated version of the distinction between “one of us” and “not one of us.”
jim denham said,
August 17, 2010 at 2:51 pm
Mr Sunrise: you have the advantage over me as I am banned from your blog, whereas we allow you to post on ours.
splinteredsunrise said,
August 17, 2010 at 6:34 pm
That’s a fair point. As a gesture of good will for you having publicised this important story, your ban is now lifted. Just don’t pee on the Dude’s rug.
Will said,
August 17, 2010 at 7:34 pm
Stewart Lee describing Adrian Chiles and the One Show;
“like being trapped in the buffet car of a slow moving express train with a toby jug that has somehow learned to speak, filled to the brim with hot piss”.
Also a good enuff description of the catholic nationalist crackpot SplintredUndercrackersRise
Bonus: One Show with new presenters reviewed by two nice old ladies here
http://www.box.net/shared/d2bht4s4pc
charliethechulo said,
August 17, 2010 at 10:53 pm
The Graun commented:
” Manford and Jones could be Chiles and Bleakley’s doppelgangers – inoffensively dough-faced Everyman on the left, attractive olive-skinned brunette with piano keyboard smile on the right.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2010/aug/16/the-one-show-lucy-mangan
resistor said,
August 18, 2010 at 9:51 am
Was Cardinal Newman gay?
er
I don’t know.
You don’t know.
Peter Tatchell doesn’t know.
Newman himself probably didn’t know.
Next question.
neprimerimye said,
August 18, 2010 at 4:55 pm
Darius i’m afraid that your failure to offer a response to my, rather orthodox, explanation of the meaning of left and right in political discourse simply will not wash. I offer the thought that even today it is common to describe individuals and movements as left wing or right wing that are not socialist in any sense.
As for your quotation of some saint or other it is well meaning no doubt but besides the point. Certainly the Roman Catholic Church might well have some kind of theological commitment to the poor and the abolition of private property but that is merely an idea which the overwhelming majority of Catholics pay exactly no attention to whatsoever. What is of far more importance is the habit of the Catholic hierarchy giving its syupport, and therefore the support of their chuch at an institutional level, to all too many reactionary anti-socialist causes.
Darius Jedburgh said,
August 22, 2010 at 5:31 pm
neprimerimye, I’m afraid you have no idea what you’re talking about.
When people nowadays refer to someone as “left-wing,”, they are not under the mistaken impression that the person is the reincarnation of someone who sat on the left at the revolutionary assembly in eighteenth-century France. This is not a “rather orthodox” account of the meaning of “left-wing,” but is, as I said, too fantastic to require a response. Nor is it “common” to describe people as “left-wing” without intending to ascribe to them a cluster of attitudes that includes at least a vaguely socialist conception of property rights and redistributive justice. I can’t believe I’m really telling you anything you don’t already know here.
As for Ambrose, he is not “some saint or other,” but one of the greatest of the Fathers of the Church and the spiritual mentor of St Augustine. Furthermore his teaching on property is echoed by every Doctor of the Church who has written about the issue, including Augustine and Aquinas. The Church does more to help the poor globally than any other institution and your assertion that the overwhelming majority of Catholics pay “exactly no attention whatever” to such crucial Church doctrine displays an extraordinary combination of ignorance and malice.