Ali on Stone on Chavez

July 27, 2010 at 3:58 pm (anti-semitism, cinema, cults, Guardian, Jim D, media, populism, stalinism)

  • The charlatan, self-publicist and ex-”Marxist” Tariq Ali writes in today’s Graun ‘G2′ about his collaboration with the film producer and conspiracy-theorist Oliver Stone on a film largely devoted to hero-worshipping Hugo Chavez. If you express any reservations, you’re a “gringo.”  The following excerpt from Ali’s article is so full of self-contradiction, non-sequiturs and plain nonsense that I seriously wonder whether Ali thinks readers of the Graun are devoid of critical faculties, or are simply immune to such things as elementary logic or the ability to distinguish between fact and fiction. I leave it to readers to fisk it for themselves:
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  • tariq ali oliver stone chavez Fellow travellers … Tariq Ali, Oliver Stone and Hugo Chávez at last year’s Venice film festival. Photograph: Damien Meyer/AFP/Getty Images
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    “The Vietnam war played a large part in shaping Stone’s radical take on his own country. One of JFK’s most striking scenes, almost 10 minutes in length, portrays a talking-heads duo: Jim Garrison (Kevin Costner) and an unidentified military intelligence officer (Donald Sutherland) are walking by the Potomac river in Washington DC, discussing who killed Kennedy. The Sutherland character links the president’s execution to his decision to withdraw US troops from Vietnam some months previously. For me, it is – together with the depiction of French officers calmly justifying torture in Gillo Pontecorvo’s classic Battle of Algiers, and the Greek far-right plotting to kill the leftwing deputy Lambrakis in Costa-Gavras’s Z – one of the three finest scenes in political cinema.

    “A steady flow of jeremiads from critics on the left and the right denounced this particular scene in Stone’s JFK as pure fantasy. Later research, however, including the recently published biography of one of the Kennedy administration’s leading hawks, McGeorge Bundy, has overwhelmingly vindicated the director’s approach. Kennedy had indeed decided to pull out – largely on the advice of retired General Douglas MacArthur, who told him the war could never be won.

    “Stone’s refusal to accept establishment “truths” is the most important aspect of his filmography. He may get it wrong, but he always challenges imperial assumptions. That is why he was now in Paraguay, talking to the new president – a defrocked bishop weaned on liberation theology, who had succeeded in electorally toppling the long dictatorship of a single party. Fernando Lugo had become part of the new Bolivarian landscape, one that included Hugo Chávez in Venezuela, Evo Morales in Bolivia, Rafael Correa in Ecuador, flanked by the Kirchners in Argentina and defended by Lula in Brazil.”

    Read the full article here

    38 Comments

    1. charliethechulo said,

      Good to see that at least one erstwhile Chavez-supporter has seen through him:
      http://thoughcowardsflinch.com/2010/07/26/why-i-stopped-supporting-hugo-chavez/

    2. Steve said,

      This is what the AWL do, one minute you think they are OK and in some respects are more advanced than others on the left and the next, such as with Iraq, you want to spit on their dead corpses. In fact if the entire AWL were to hold a meeting in some village hall and someone flew a plane into it, killing everyone, that would be a great day for the left. Having said that if the AWL didn’t exist the establishment would have to invent them!

    3. charliethechulo said,

      “This is what the AWL do”: you mean, republishing part of an article by Tariq Ali and asking readers to judge it for themselves? Outrageous!

      ” In fact if the entire AWL were to hold a meeting in some village hall and someone flew a plane into it, killing everyone, that would be a great day for the left”: so you’re still in two minds about the AWL, then, Steve?

    4. Jim Denham said,

      Prof Norm on Stone, the holocaust and Jews in the media:

      http://normblog.typepad.com/normblog/2010/07/oliver-stone-apologizes.html

    5. Will said,

      That Steve character is well fuckking deranged.

      worra thick cunT.

    6. Steve said,

      Will,

      coming from you that is a mighty compliment.

      If it wasn’t for Iraq I would be in 2 minds about the AWL.

      Incidentally, where is the next meeting?

    7. Will said,

      “If it wasn’t for Iraq I would be in 2 minds about the AWL.”

      LOLZ

      Schizoid mofukker.

    8. Jenny said,

      This is why I perfer Bolivia’s Morales.

    9. Will said,

      I prefer Marmite to Vegemite

      • Jenny said,

        Me too, actually.

        • Will said,

          Where does Bovril figure in all of this tho but?

          Quite a one for the questions i am today.

    10. Egg on your face said,

      This blog is itself increasingly like a Viz supplement, in any case, with the Brown Bottle (a.k.a. Jim Denham) and Biffa Bacon (a.k.a) Will Rubbish.

      “Schizoid mofukker.” (Will)

      Would ‘”fucking spastic” be more comprehensible?

      Denham and Rubbish are like two peas in a pod.

      • Kuching Hitam said,

        How curious that Eggie-weggie finds it acceptable to say about Geordies what it is not acceptable to say about the Irish … or Africans.

        • Egg on your face said,

          Que? So its now verboten to call a foul-mouthed keyboard-lout a foul-mouthed keyboard-lout?

          How many Irish or African cyber-Biffas do you know then?

    11. Will said,

      “Would ‘”fucking spastic” be more comprehensible?”

      You are not making sense — again.

      thicko weird cunT.

    12. skidmarx said,

      The following excerpt from Ali’s article is so full of self-contradiction, non-sequiturs and plain nonsense
      Is it? Perhaps you should be a little more precise in your criticism.

    13. maxdunbar said,

      This blog is itself increasingly like a Viz supplement, in any case, with the Brown Bottle (a.k.a. Jim Denham) and Biffa Bacon (a.k.a) Will Rubbish.

      If you want to extend this, we could have yourself as Roger Irrelevant, Steve as Terry Fuckwit, Resistor as Millie Tant and JohnG as one of the Critics (although you couldn’t do a story about John in comic form as just one speech bubble would obscure everything on the page)

    14. Egg on your face said,

      Feeble response. Everyone knows that Denham and Rubbish are insanely abusive, deranged people of whom the Viz cap fits amply.

      The insults directed the other way could simply have been generated by a random insult generator. “Nah nah nah nah nah, you’re one as well….”

      Still, its not the silliest thing by a long chalk. Some idiot above thinks it is akin to racism to compare Will Rubbish, a grotesque stereotypical insult to Geordies who rants abuse and death threats in quaint plastic-Geordie prose, with a similar (though mercifully fictional) stereotypical insult to Geordies who appears in an adult comic.

      Duh!

    15. Will said,

      Mr Farty Egg Pants: I cannot be your doctor, I cannot diagnose you or treat you over the
      internet — there are laws and professional guidelines one must adhere to. However, I can help you find information, resources, articles, and experts… all for a small fee. Please get in touch.

      ThanX Vittupää

    16. Will said,

      “Denham and Rubbish are like two peas in a pod.”

      And no fuckking discount on the treatment for compliments like that.

    17. Egg on your face said,

      Happy fuckking birthday Mutha.

    18. Will said,

      Is it you Muthas birthday?

      does she read Shiraz SwamP as well? HappY B Day Mrs Eggy Weggy!

    19. CH said,

      If you’re interested in a Marxist view of Chavez, this might be of interest: http://platypus1917.org/2010/07/09/the-dead-left-chavez-and-the-bolivarian-revolution/

    20. Will said,

      Ice dance skater shows his fyace.

    21. CH said,

      Figure skater, Will.

    22. Jim Denham said,

      Thanks for that link, CH: a good article.

    23. Rosie said,

      One of JFK’s most striking scenes, almost 10 minutes in length, portrays a talking-heads duo: Jim Garrison (Kevin Costner) and an unidentified military intelligence officer (Donald Sutherland) are walking by the Potomac river in Washington DC, discussing who killed Kennedy. The Sutherland character links the president’s execution to his decision to withdraw US troops from Vietnam some months previously. For me, it is – together with the depiction of French officers calmly justifying torture in Gillo Pontecorvo’s classic Battle of Algiers, and the Greek far-right plotting to kill the leftwing deputy Lambrakis in Costa-Gavras’s Z – one of the three finest scenes in political cinema.

      Battle of Algiers and Z are both brilliant political films, really giving a sense of how filthy politics can be. Stone’s JFK is a load of overblown bombast.

    24. sackcloth and ashes said,

      ‘we could have yourself as Roger Irrelevant, Steve as Terry Fuckwit, Resistor as Millie Tant and JohnG as one of the Critics (although you couldn’t do a story about John in comic form as just one speech bubble would obscure everything on the page)’

      High five. But I think reSSistor would be better off as either Billy Britain, or one of the characters in the one-off strip ‘Wacky Racists’, featuring David Irving and his dog, Mosley.

      May I nominate skidmark for the role of Aldrige Prior, the useless liar?

      • skidmarx said,

        Well thank-you Friar Fuck. Or would you rather be thought of as Victor Pratt?

    25. Jim Denham said,

    26. maxdunbar said,

      I can’t believe I missed Wacky Racists!

    27. Will said,

      Viz went doonhill once I stopped writing for it.

    28. Will said,

      here’s one for Man Eggs on Yer Fyace

    29. Will said,

      Here’s another for the Egg One

    30. Will said,

      Another for EggY The CunT

    31. Will said,

      egg in a bun

    32. Will said,

      Egg in a BuN — you look like equaliser with that jacket on — These High Tech Trainers are fast as fuck

    33. Will said,

      That’s my fuckking car there

      never mind this porno tash — cheeky cunt.

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