Scientology is easy meat…what about the real religions?

October 31, 2009 at 5:57 pm (Champagne Charlie, Guardian, religion, scientology)

Marina Hyde, in todays’s Graun, notes with approval the various clobberings that the Church of Scientology has suffered recently. In France, they’ve been found guilty of fraud while over in Hollywood director Paul Haggis has broken with them after his wife was ordered by the “Church” to “disconnect” with him. Now Scientology’s chief spokesman has stomped out of a TV interview with Martin Bashir after being pressed on the alien stuff. Best of all it’s on it’s on You Tube.

But, as Hyde suggests, giving the fringe nutters of Scientology a tough time is relatively easy: “Imagine for a moment a Bashir-type interview with a cardinal. ‘So,’ he might inquire, ‘you’re saying that by some magic the communion wafer actually becomes the flesh of a man who died 2,000 years ago, a man who – and I don’t want to put words into your mouth here – we might catagorise as an imaginary friend who can hear the things you’re thinking in your head? And when you’ve done that, do you mind going over the birth control stuff?

“What a shame that we see rather fewer of these exchanges, however amusing and useful a sideshow Scientology may be.”

You don’t think that the excellent Ms Hyde could possibly be taking a sideswipe at her own paper and its penchant for giving a platform to  religious proselytizers in general and – especially – apologists for Catholicism and Islam like Maddie Bunting, Karen Armstong and Terry Eagleton?

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9 Comments

  1. charliethechulo said,

    We seem to be having some technical problems here, which mean that the only way I’ve been able to post the You Tube clip is to put it up twice. When I try to delete one of the clips, both disappear – along with all the text below the clip. The curse of L. Ron Hubbard? Anyway, I’ve just had to leave it as it is, with the duplicate clips, for the time being. Just thought I’d explain.

  2. Red Maria said,

    And yesterday your side bar went missing. Well, it did on my computer anyway.

  3. skidmarx said,

    The South Park scientology episode never seems to be findable on youtube any more.

    Transubstantiation always seems much weirder to those not brought up as Catholics.

    Mel Gibson suggesting his wife is going to Hell because she’s C of E is generally a sign that fundamentalists tend to take their religion seriously, whether that makes them madder than other religious types I don’t know.

  4. charliethechulo said,

    Yes, Maria, the Sidebar does indeed seem to have taken on a life of its own, coming and going at will. We must have angered some vengeful force – either L Ron Hubbard or your own unforgiving God, perhaps?

  5. Matt said,

    It’s true that all religions are equally irrational but some (including Scientology) appear more so because we haven’t had a couple of thousand years to become culturally conditioned to their incredible claims or for some of – including me – first confession and communion as a small child means Catholicism doesn’t seem as weird as it should do.

    It always amuses me when religious people take the piss out of other peoples’ beliefs. I used to work with a Muslim guy and a Hindu woman. When she wasn’t around, he’d say things like “praying to the statutes of all those different gods, what a load of nonsense”. I was always tempted to say, “Yeah, much more rational to throw a rock at a pillar in the desert to drive away the devil”.

  6. Dr Paul said,

    Last year sometime I was visiting a friend, not a million miles away from this and certain other sites, and she had with her a pal who was doing some campaign work for the Catholic church against the Da Vinci Code phenomenon. Not having read the book or seen the film, I asked him what it was all about, and he told me that it was about how Jesus had children and they how their offspring came secretly down the generations into positions of power and influence.

    I said: ‘Do people really believe all that?’

    ‘Yes’, he replied.

    ‘Well, that’s almost as good as one about the bloke who died, was buried, came back to life and went up to heaven’, I parried.

    To this bloke’s credit, he did smile and say: ‘Well, you’ve got me on that one.’

  7. Will said,

    Knock apparition gatherings
    In this section »

    * Time for TDs to get on with the job
    * Crowd support at Dublin marathon
    * Putting the tourist tax in perspective
    * Drink-driving proposals
    * Crime in the capital
    * Impact of carbon tax deferral

    Madam, – I’m a little confused that the Archbishop of Tuam, Dr Michael Neary, is discouraging people from gathering at Knock to witness apparitions which he believes “risk misleading God’s people and undermining faith”.

    This is the the same “faith” that believes that a cosmic Jew who was his own father by a virgin can enable you to live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh, drink his blood and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from something invisible called your soul that is present because a woman made from a rib was convinced by a talking snake to eat an apple from a magical tree. – Yours, etc,

    LIAM MEEHAN,

    La Vista Avenue,

    Killester, Dublin 5.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/letters/2009/1028/1224257552159.html

  8. Will said,

    http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/09/12.htm#god

    The Social Principles of Christianity

    The social principles of Christianity have now had eighteen hundred years to be developed, and need no further development by Prussian Consistorial Counsellors.

    The social principles of Christianity justified the slavery of antiquity, glorifies the serfdom of the Middle Ages and are capable, in case of need, of defending the oppression of the proletariat, with somewhat doleful grimaces.

    The social principles of Christianity preach the necessity of a ruling and an oppressed class, and for the latter all they have to offer is the pious wish that the former may be charitable.

    The social principles of Christianity place the Consistorial Counsellor’s compensation for all infamies in heaven, and thereby justify the continuation of these infamies on earth.

    The social principles of Christianity declare all the vile acts of the oppressors against the oppressed to be either a just punishment for original sin and other sins, or trials which the Lord, in his infinite wisdom, ordains for the redeemed.

    The social principles of Christianity preach cowardice, self-contempt, abasement, submissiveness and humbleness, in short, all the qualities of the rabble, and the proletariat, which will not permit itself to be treated as rabble, needs its courage, its self-confidence, its pride and its sense of independence even more than its bread.

    The social principles of Christianity are sneaking and hypocritical, and the proletariat is revolutionary.

    So much for the social principles of Christianity.

  9. Will said,

    http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/09/12.htm#god

    The Social Principles of Christianity

    The social principles of Christianity have now had eighteen hundred years to be developed, and need no further development by Prussian Consistorial Counsellors.

    The social principles of Christianity justified the slavery of antiquity, glorifies the serfdom of the Middle Ages and are capable, in case of need, of defending the oppression of the proletariat, with somewhat doleful grimaces.

    The social principles of Christianity preach the necessity of a ruling and an oppressed class, and for the latter all they have to offer is the pious wish that the former may be charitable.

    The social principles of Christianity place the Consistorial Counsellor’s compensation for all infamies in heaven, and thereby justify the continuation of these infamies on earth.

    The social principles of Christianity declare all the vile acts of the oppressors against the oppressed to be either a just punishment for original sin and other sins, or trials which the Lord, in his infinite wisdom, ordains for the redeemed.

    The social principles of Christianity preach cowardice, self-contempt, abasement, submissiveness and humbleness, in short, all the qualities of the rabble, and the proletariat, which will not permit itself to be treated as rabble, needs its courage, its self-confidence, its pride and its sense of independence even more than its bread.

    The social principles of Christianity are sneaking and hypocritical, and the proletariat is revolutionary.

    So much for the social principles of Christianity.

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