Malik versus migration doomsayer

July 19, 2009 at 6:25 pm (immigration, Islam, Max Dunbar, multiculturalism)

Kenan Malik, author of the phenomenal From Fatwa to Jihad, takes on Christopher Caldwell’s book Reflections on the Revolution in Europe: Immigration, Islam and Europe – evidently a more sophisticated version of the ‘Muslims! Everywhere! EVERYWHERE!’ nonsense we get from Mark Steyn and Melanie Phillips.

Malik’s piece is an excellent point-by-point refutation of the claims made by migration scaremongers.

Key para:

Reflections on the Revolution in Europe is trenchantly written and robustly argued. It is complex and often subtle. It is also fundamentally wrong in both premise and conclusion.  

Read the whole thing.

(Via Butterflies and Wheels)

Update: More debunking via David T:

For the number of Muslims to outnumber non-Muslims by midcentury, it would require either breeding on a scale rarely seen in history or for immigration to continue at a pace that’s now politically unacceptable. More likely, new controls will slow Muslim immigration. The birthrate for Muslim immigrants is also likely to continue to decline, as it has tended to do, with greater affluence and better health care. There is no Europewide data available, but one study says fertility rates among Turkish-born women in the Netherlands fell from 3.2 in 1990 to 1.9 in 2005, barely above the figure for native-born Dutch. Over the same period, the equivalent figure for Moroccan-born women in the Netherlands dropped from 4.9 to 2.9. Also, fertility rates are edging upward in some Northern European countries, which would offset some of the Muslim growth. Bottom line: given the number of variables, demographers are loath to make predictions about the number of Muslims in Europe in the years to come. ‘You would almost have to make it up,’ says Carl Haub, the senior demographer at the Population Reference Bureau in Washington. And the idea of a Muslim majority any time soon? ‘Absolutely absurd.’

In areas of personal morality, attitudes vary markedly, too. One recent Gallup poll found that more than 30 percent of French Muslims were ready to accept homosexuality, compared with zero in Britain. Almost half of French Muslims believed sex between unmarried people was morally acceptable, compared with 27 percent of German Muslims. And violent zealotry is for the tiny minority: polls repeatedly reaffirm that Muslims overwhelmingly disapprove of terrorism. In some countries, the mood is broadly secular. ‘The majority of Muslims in France are, in fact, decoupled from their religion. They just blend into an amorphous mass of brown or black people,’ says Ali Allawi, the former Iraqi defense minister and author of the The Crisis of Islamic Civilization. Jochen Hippler, a German political scientist at the University of Duisburg-Essen, says he has had young Turks come up to him to ask what Islam is all about.’They have lost any connection with the religion of their parents and grandparents,’ he says. A recent government survey showed that 40 percent of Iranians living in Germany identified themselves as having no religion, as did 23 percent of North Africans. In the Netherlands, the proportion of Muslims who regularly attend the mosque—27 percent—is lower than the proportion of Protestants who go to church.

6 Comments

  1. Jim Denham said,

    “There are no such things as “European values”, of course. What has eroded is faith in the idea that it is possible to win peoples of different backgrounds to a common set of secular, humanist, Enlightened values. And that is the real problem: not immigration, nor Muslim immigration, but the lack of conviction in a progressive, secular, humanist project.”

    Hear, hear! Pretty much what contributors to this blog have been arguing since we began, against the relativists of the John Gameboy variety.

  2. maxdunbar said,

    That’s it.

    Another point is that people from the Muslim world who travel to Europe most likely do so because they admire these values. So the ‘Eurabia’ bullshit simply doesn’t apply.

  3. asquith said,

    Quite right, not to mention the fact that asylum seekers who have lived in theocracies hate that sort of utter shite, & value secularism all the more. I’ve known countless people who thanked this country for taking them in even, even though they lived in complete dumps on benefits, because they were at least free.

    Speaking to these people has made me all the more determined to defend what I consider to be universal values of secular liberal democracy, against their assorted detractors.

  4. Rosie said,

    Malik is excellent. I was about to quote the bit Jim quoted but I’ll quote the bit above:-

    “People of North African or South Asian parentage, he seems to believe, will inevitably cleave to a different set of values than those of European ancestry. Why? Being born to European parents is no passport to Enlightenment beliefs. So why should we imagine that having Bangladeshi or Moroccan ancestry makes one automatically believe in sharia?”

    How many white British have identical beliefs to their grandparents?

  5. Eskimo Sue R said,

    There’s a belief here in progress, that things can only get better. i hope you are right. What people believe and why is related to their concrete circumstances. Given the right circumstances anyone can hold’progressive and socialist ideas, the trouble is that teh right circumstances don’t just happen.

  6. maxdunbar said,

    David has a good line that if the conspiracy theorists were right we would all be speaking Gaelic by now.

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