Daud Abdullah, the MCB and “freedom of speech”

March 27, 2009 at 11:20 pm (anti-semitism, Champagne Charlie, Free Speech, Guardian, islamism, israel, Livingstone, Middle East, palestine, wankers)

In a wacky and hysterical letter - even by the standards of the Graun‘s Letters and emails page – Ken Livingstone, Tony Benn, Lauren Booth (a recent star recruit to the ranks of the wackos), Bruce Kent, Jeremy Corbyn MP, Jenny Tongue, Anas Altikriti (British Muslim Initiative), Kate Hudson (Chair, CND), Andrew Murray (Chair, Stop the War Coalition) and 21 other apologists for clerical fascism, state that they “consider … the decision of the government to demand the removal of Dr Daud Abdullah from his elected post of deputy general secretary of the MCB (Muslim Council of Britain - CC) an attack on the democratic right of freedom of speech of every British citizen.”

To which this British citizen can only reply “bollocks.”

The government has not stopped, and has not attempted to stop, Mr Abdullah or other Hamas-supporters like the signatories of the Graun letter, from expressing (as they put it), “whatever lawful views views (they) wish in relation to the government’s foreign policy and the criminal actions of Israel in relation to the Palestinian people.”

“We note“, they go on, “that there is no suggestion by the government that Mr Abdullah has broken any British law.”  Precisely! What the government is doing is “suspending relations” with the MCB  – in other words, ending its privileged position as a body that is regularly consulted by government and whose activities and propaganda are subsidised by the government. Some attack on freedom of speech! (The letter, by the way, can be accessed via the link provided towards the end of this piece).

The government and the hapless Hazel Blears have not helped their own case by getting all confused about which of Mr Abdullah’s many nasty views, and which of the many dodgy sentiments expressed in the Istanbul Declaration “Against Global Aggression” that he signed, constituted the final straw: was it the the alleged call for attacks on British military forces, the apparent support for terrorist attacks on Britain, or the declaration’s unmistakeable incitement to attack Jews throughout the world?

As a matter of fact, the call for attacks on British military forces is not something that I personally would get that worked up about. They’re soldiers, after all. The call for attacks on civilians is another matter. And the anti-semitic calls for the destruction of Israel and for attacks on Jews everywhere are a disgrace – and it’s even more of a disgrace that so-called leftists and liberals defend it.

The coward and liar Abdullah now, of course, wriggles and squirms and tries to deny that he or the Istanbul Declaration ever said these things. In his letter to the Graun he denies, with particular emphasis, Blears’ claim that he advocates attacks on “Jewish communities”.

Best to let the Istambul Declaration, signed by Mr Abdullah, speak for itself; here’s point 7:

“The obligation of the Islamic Nation to regard everyone standing with the Zionist entity, whether countries, institutions or individuals, as providing a substantial contribution to the crimes and brutality of the entity; the position towards him is the same as towards the userping state.”

For all the convoluted language, I think we can all understand what that means.

24 Comments

  1. voltairespriest said,

    Doesn’t all of this Abdullah stuff slightly miss the point though? The real issue around the government having relations with the MCB is quite simply that the group is treated as though it were speaking for UK Muslims, when it doesn’t. There is no “leadership” of those people in the UK who choose to define as Muslim, and it’s false of the government to act in a way that would suggest otherwise,

    In fact actually if I believed that Abdullah and his views were representative of “the Muslim community” (there is in reality no such single entity) in the UK then I would be absolutely in favour of the government talking with him on a regular basis. The reality is that he represents no such number of people, and neither do his views, and nor indeed does the MCB. And therein lies the real issue.

    The underlying point actually lies with a governmental obsession with self-appointed “community leaders” who are supposedly able to speak for vast swathes of the population. It’s quite a large phenomenon and it is total bollocks. People from minority groups are often rather surprised to switch on the telly and discover that they have “leaders”, as many people in the West Midlands will testify in the aftermath of the local riots a couple of years ago. The whole notion is nothing but the headlights of a gravy train, and it really should be brought to and end – and replaced with a genuinely anti-oppressive community relations strategy that works.

    The MCB and Abdullah are a symptom possibly, but they are not the cause.

  2. maxdunbar said,

    Yep.

  3. resistor said,

    “The obligation of the Islamic Nation to regard everyone standing with the Zionist entity, whether countries, institutions or individuals, as providing a substantial contribution to the crimes and brutality of the entity; the position towards him is the same as towards the userping state.”

    Includes people like you.

    Will the UK refuse to talk to Israel if they include racists and fascists like Avigdor Lieberman? I somehow doubt it.

  4. voltairespriest said,

    Do you have an orgasm every time you mention the name of a right-wing Zionist? Is that what it is? Or is there more you’d like to tell us about your political history?

  5. resistor said,

    ‘Do you have an orgasm every time you mention the name of a right-wing Zionist? ‘

    I believe you’re thinking of Chas Newkey-Burden.

    As for the AWL (Alliance With Lieberman) and their obsessive love of Zionism, what do they get out of it?

  6. voltairespriest said,

    Ah… they’re In The Pay Of International Jewry, obviously. But surely you’ve always known that?

    See, again you have this odd obsession with right-wing Jews. What’s that all about? I bet ,you know, that someone could write a post about Mozambique and you would still find a way to mention some Likudnik or other in the comments.

    Anyway, back to your political vviews. Tell your Uncle Volty all about it.

  7. resistor said,

    I was a replying to yet another anti-muslim post which demonises someone for supporting the right of Palestinians to self-defence. Perhaps you’d like to ask your Uncle Jim Denham why he and his scummy party, the AWL, have a racist position of denying Palestinians the right to return to their homes.

  8. maxdunbar said,

    ‘I was a replying to yet another anti-muslim post which demonises someone for supporting the right of Palestinians to self-defence.’

    Abdullah signed a statement that threatens UK navies, advocates attacks on Jews around the world, advocates terrorism against Israeli allies, including people, countries and institutions, and chooses jihad over peacekeeping.

    This is not ‘supporting the right of Palestinians to self-defence’.

    Regarding the crappy little moral equivalence you are trying to draw here, it would only really makes sense if there was a rightwing Zionist group operating in the UK that had the support and funding of the UK government.

    You do know that the MCB can only claim the support of four per cent of British Muslims.

    Don’t you?

  9. voltairespriest said,

    No Resistor, I’d like to ask you why you seem to be constantly drawn to posting about Zionism.

  10. resistor said,

    ‘Regarding the crappy little moral equivalence you are trying to draw here, it would only really makes sense if there was a rightwing Zionist group operating in the UK that had the support and funding of the UK government.’

    How about the Israeli Government, you idiot?

    ‘threatens UK navies’

    not as long as they don’t invade other countries

    ‘advocates attacks on Jews around the world’

    no it doesn’t

    ‘advocates terrorism against Israeli allies, including people, countries and institutions’

    no it doesn’t

    ‘and chooses jihad over peacekeeping’

    i.e. chooses resistance over surrender

    ps do you support the right of Palestinians to return to their homes?

    yes or no Maxie

  11. maxdunbar said,

    No, because I am talking about internal advocacy groups not foreign governments.

    The Israeli government is just one of a wide range of human rights abusing governments that our rulers deal with on a regular basis.

    Yet you always focus on the Zionists. I wonder why?

    And have you even read the statement?

    ‘The obligation of the Islamic Nation to regard everyone standing with the Zionist entity, whether countries, institutions or individuals, as providing a substantial contribution to the crimes and brutality of this entity; the position towards him is the same as towards this usurping entity.’

    http://www.hurryupharry.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/istpdf.pdf

    Not much ambiguity there. But then you’ve admitted that you can’t tell the difference between self defence and holy war.

  12. resistor said,

    ‘you can’t tell the difference between self defence and holy war.’

    sometimes there isn’t one, you chump!

  13. maxdunbar said,

    Or, to put it another way, you can’t tell the difference between imperialism and anti-imperialism.

  14. resistor said,

    An early example of anti-imperialist jihad for the unenlightened and ignorant Dunbar

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_al-Qadir

    ‘In 1837, Abd al-Qadir signed the treaty of Tafna with Marshall Bugeaud, in which Abdel-Qadir recognized France’s sovereignty in Oran and Algiers, while himself officially controlled in exchange the two-thirds of the country (mainly the interior). But King Louis-Philippe broke the treaty two years later, leading al-Qadir to declare again jihad on October 15, 1839.’

    This Muslim was fighting the Fascists when the Fascists were training the Zionist Navy.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Mukhtar

    http://www.marxists.de/middleast/brenner/ch10.htm

  15. Max Dunbar said,

    Of course and loads of Muslims fought the Nazis in WW2.

    Your point being?

  16. Harry Tuttle said,

    Max wrote:

    Of course and loads of Muslims fought the Nazis in WW2.

    Loads of Muslims also fought against Milošević’s genocidal war machine. Guess which side resistor supported?

  17. maxdunbar said,

    I suspect that could apply to both conflicts.

  18. resistor said,

    Iraq invasion supporter Dunbar writes,

    ‘Or, to put it another way, you can’t tell the difference between imperialism and anti-imperialism’

    I can, you support imperialism and I support anti-imperialism.

  19. maxdunbar said,

    I’ve never had a strong view on Iraq. To explain how I feel about Iraq would take more text than you’re willing to read.

  20. resistor said,

    ‘I’ve never had a strong view on Iraq. To explain how I feel about Iraq would take more text than you’re willing to read.’

    Anyone see the contradiction here.

    Let me help.

    You were in favour of the invasion but lack the guts to admit it.

  21. maxdunbar said,

    A reader emailed Voltaire recently to ask how our positions differed on the Iraq war.

    I can put my response up as a post if you like?

  22. Harry Tuttle said,

    Max -

    I can put my response up as a post if you like?

    Nothing you say will make a difference to him. His only interest lies in trolling you and this blog.

  23. maxdunbar said,

    Yeah I know.

    I think I’m the only admin who bothers to engage with this moron.

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