Pilger’s Polemical Pish
Having read Jim’s short piece below,I thought it was worth looking a little more closely at John Pilger’s article “The Politics of Bollocks” in this week’s New Statesman. One of the things which I’ve never understood is the way that Pilger seems to be heralded as some sort of 19th-Century style Great Authority on whatever happens to be his chosen subject of the moment. Whether it’s Obama, Palestine, capitalism, or doubtless the beaches of Bognor or the price of fish that is the topic, you can guarantee that someone on the left will be swooning over Pilger’s Brilliantly Insightful Article Which Shows What’s Really Going On about that subject. So, let us take a look at what he actually writes here.
The article is essentially a vinegary dig at people who have been bowled over by Barack Obama’s victory in the US Presidential Elections, who now seem to think that the President is a cross between Jesus, Gandhi and Che Guevara, preparing to perform impeccably progressive miracles the world over. Now, doubtless such people exist, but they are not quite so thick on the ground as Pilger appears to think. Many of us, including myself, advocated critical support for Obama last November, and were absolutely delighted to see him win the White House, at the same time as seeing a Democratic surge flatten the Republican Party in Congress. How anyone could fail to see that on balance as a good thing does not make sense to me, unless that person is merely parroting a party line about the Democrats not being a “bourgeois workers’ party” like… err… New Labour apparently is. Of course though, the Left will always need its Big Yankee Imperialist Baddie and in the absence of anyone more obvious, it seems that mantle now falls to Barack Obama.
After opening with a rambling anecdote about how he first came to hear the term “bollocks” (gosh, how Brilliantly Insightful), Pilger’s article reads like one long stream of “yeah buts” on a variety of policy areas, ranging from Obama’s executive order to close Guantanamo Bay (“yeah but he hasn’t dismantled the entire US secret state apparatus”) to his stance on Israel-Palestine (“yeah but Zionist advisors, yeah but he’ll be talking to the Israeli right” etc). If anyone can show me a single statement, anywhere, at any time in the last election, either by the Democratic campaign or by Obama himself, where he said he would institute a socialist foreign policy, then please let me know because I haven’t seen it. However, to claim that his actions in the weeks since he was elected don’t mark a symbolic break with the Bush years is just asinine, as is the claim that his administration’s stance towards the international community is not qualitatively better than Bush’s. Indeed, even on the one overseas issue where Obama is arguably more hawkish than Bush (Afghanistan), the new president is doing exactly what he said he would do when people elected him. I don’t agree with his position, but the idea that this is a question of a hidden truth beneath obfuscatory “bollocks” is a nonsense.
One very interesting sentence in the course of the passage about Israel-Palestine is this:
What the childish fawning over Obama obscures is the dark power assembled under cover of America’s first “post-racial president”.
What “dark power”? And what relevance does Obama’s positioning as a “post-racial president” have to do with it? Pilger doesn’t elaborate on this statement, but instead launches straight into lambasting the new administration for being too pro-Israeli. What are we to deduce from this? Well I suppose either that Pilger has discovered that the Obama administration is secretly run by Cylons, or else that the “dark power” concerned is that favourite of wingnuts from Infowars to Maoist loony toons, “The Zionists Who Secretly Run Things”. I don’t propose to go into depth here with a very obvious and well-rehearsed debunking of claims that Israel lobbyists run the US government as though by remote control, but suffice to say that such statements on Pilger’s part don’t look Brilliantly Insightful to me, so much as paranoid. He also makes a point of saying, as though it reinforces his argument, that Richard Falk (the UN special rapporteur who described Israel’s policies a genocidal), is Jewish. This is unnecessary at best: the question is presumably whether Falk’s statement is correct or not. Whether he is a Jew, a Muslim or a Hare Krishna is entirely irrelevant.
A final highlight for me was Pilger’s de-contextualised claim about Hillary Clinton:
Under Obama, the “sense of a new era abroad”, declared the Observer, “was reinforced by the confirmation of Hillary Clinton as secretary of state”. Clinton has threatened to “entirely obliterate Iran” on behalf of Israel.
Is Clinton then champing at the bit to launch Shock and Awe against Tehran, or perhaps to nuke a few Iranian cities? Perhaps she secretly hopes to slip a mickey into Obama’s coffee and give the order herself?
Pilger’s use of this quote is in fact shockingly misleading. Clinton made the statement about “obliterating Iran” in April last year, during the heat of the Democratic primary campaign. It was one of a string of stupid things to say, which candidates are wont to do in US elections when bashing each other around in the scrabble for electors. Whatever I may think of Clinton – which isn’t very much – I simply don’t believe that she is plotting an apocalyptic war on Iran, and I very much doubt that the Tehran government disagrees with me. Furthermore, Pilger has cut her statement short, to make it look more bonkers even than it was. What Clinton actually said during the course of a TV interview, was this:
“I want the Iranians to know that if I’m the president, we will attack Iran (if it attacks Israel).“In the next 10 years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them,“That’s a terrible thing to say but those people who run Iran need to understand that because that perhaps will deter them from doing something that would be reckless, foolish and tragic,”
Still an utterly stupid thing to say? Yes. One of the many reasons why I was delighted she didn’t get the Democratic nomination? Most certainly. Evidence that she’s planning a unilateral strike on Iran? Is it bollocks.
Overall, Pilger’s article has the air of a desperate, quixotic search for an evil enemy to rail against, when actually what he finds himself faced with is a liberal Democratic administration. Such administrations are warts-and-all things, and they do things that are downright offensive to most people on the left. Obama’s Afghanistan strategy for example is something which (as I have said) I completely disagree with, and which I’ll be first on the protests against as and when they inevitably happen. But how one is supposed to perceive the hidden hand of a “dark power” underlying an administration which has taken bigger progressive steps in many ways (capping executive pay on Wall Street, the closure of Guantanamo, backing the use of unionised labour for federal construction prjects) in the course on the past few weeks than the free-market lackeys of our so-called “Labour Party” have managed in nearly twelve years, is simply beyond me. Obama’s administration, with all its flaws, represents a clear and obvious step away from a Bush era where CEOs simply called the shots on economic policy, and where foreign policy was governed by a coalition of empire-building neocons and religious-right fruitcakes who believed in the divine fate of Israel at the Apocaypse. Obama’s people aren’t socialists, but then they don’t pretend to be. And they’re not the boogeyman who comes to get you in the night either.
At worst, for me, the piece suggests a really feeble and paranoid view of politics which I am assured did not characterise his writing in his earlier days. At best, it’s just pish.
KB Player said,
February 8, 2009 at 1:10 pm
I had the impression that Pilger really made his reputation as a news gatherer, a reporter on the ground rather than as an analyst of politics and current affairs.
voltairespriest said,
February 8, 2009 at 1:26 pm
You may well be right. I’ll freely confess that his earlier stuff, ie what made his name for him, rather predates my becoming interested or involved in politics. It’s certainly the case that more or less any analytical pieces of his that I’ve read recently have not really cut the mustard. And the Statesman article this week is just utter crap, even in terms of factual stuff like his misuse of that quote from Clinton.
Sad state of affairs really, I suppose.
maxdunbar said,
February 8, 2009 at 1:34 pm
Great post. The fact is that Pilger, Seymour, Milne etc have to keep the whole anti-imperialist narrative going because, to some extent, their livelihoods depend on it. So there will be no credit for Obama’s good works on executive pay etc.
And you make a good point – that Obama is not flying under false colours. He never campaigned on an ‘antiwar ticket’ as Seymour has claimed. Pilger acts as if Obama had promised to withdraw all US troops from everywhere they are. In fact he made no secret of his support for the war on the Taliban.
As regards torture – Obama has to be really scrutinised here. He appears to have made some good steps in terms of closing Guantanamo and dismantling the secret prisons but this is such an important issue that people cannot afford to get complacent about it. Let’s hope he lives up to what he’s said.
Norm linked to an article that claimed torture would be legally impossible under Obama’s new rules – so that is a good sign.
Finally your article feeds into something Gene speculated – that the anti-imperialist line will be that Obama is only the puppet for the real rulers of the world (guess who?)
voltairespriest said,
February 8, 2009 at 1:45 pm
It’s certainly this underlying “dark power” business that bothers me. With Bush is was pretty obvious that many in the administration really were swivel-eyed empire-building lunatics bent on imposing Pax Americana all over the world. It was also obvious that their backers were a mixture of capitalist barons and barking-mad millenialists who wanted Israel supported and armed to the teeth so that Jesus could destroy it at the Apocalypse. It’s easy to be paranoid when they really are out to get you.
With Obama, the lines are much more blurred, and for a left that has gotten used to a kind of political worldview akin to a sci-fi novel where brave rebels fight against an evil empire, it’s a very difficult adjustment to make. As you say, some of them have staked their livelihoods (political and/or financial) on “anti-imperialism”, so they have to find reasons to fix that worldview in place within a political landscape which has qualitatively changed. I’d imagine that the gentler among them will retreat back into mumbling vaguely po/mo platitudes about “the politics of difference” and other largely meaningless phrases. The hardcore though may be more likely to look for the hidden hand of a malign force underneath the Obama administration. That isn’t hard for the right wing (they’ll blame the ACLU, NARAL Pro-Choice America, gay rights groups and the unions), but for those “left-wingers” seeking to do the same it’s more problematic. Obviously for some, “The Zionists” will be the group of choice, I suppose.
maxdunbar said,
February 8, 2009 at 2:49 pm
And of course Pilger has already called Obama an ‘Uncle Tom’.
Jim Denham said,
February 8, 2009 at 2:59 pm
A “glossy” Uncle Tom, to be precise…
voltairespriest said,
February 8, 2009 at 3:14 pm
“Glossy”? See, the Uncle Tom bit is obviously offensive. But “glossy” is just plain weird…
Jamie said,
February 8, 2009 at 3:20 pm
If you didn’t like Pilger’s article then you won’t like this from the WSM: http://theworldsocialist.blogspot.com/2009/01/obama-no-real-change.html
charliethechulo said,
February 8, 2009 at 3:24 pm
You’re right, Jamie: it’s crap. But not as nasty as Pilger’s crap.
voltairespriest said,
February 8, 2009 at 3:28 pm
Jamie – it would’ve been more encouraging if they’d managed to spell Obama’s first name correctly.
More seriously though, that just looks to me like the same article you’ll get on many subjects from that party and its sister organisations: this or that group/individual is tied to the system and therefore they can’t deliver socialism. On the one level it’s true; on another it manifestly ignores what is happening when reform movements take steps (too small for my liking, but steps nevertheless) away from outright hard-right dogma. The improvements in the weeks past are small – but nevertheless they’re equally not evidence that “Obama, Bush, Just the Same, Only Difference is the Name” chants would contain much of a grain of truth.
The left needs to get a grip on that point.
tcd said,
February 8, 2009 at 4:07 pm
“But how one is supposed to perceive the hidden hand of a “dark power” underlying an administration which has taken bigger progressive steps in many ways (capping executive pay on Wall Street, the closure of Guantanamo, backing the use of unionised labour for federal construction prjects) in the course on the past few weeks than the free-market lackeys of our so-called “Labour Party” have managed in nearly twelve years, is simply beyond me.”
Wall Street funded Obama more than McCain, as did evry US sector except for agriculture and one other which I forget.
Obviously it would be too much to expect a socialist to consider capitalist lobbies “dark powers”.
It is not really that strange for a progressive sounding bourgeois leader to be brought in to disarm a rising wave of working class militancy when the ruling class does not have the legitimacy to attack it full on. Many of us have lived through this. If you haven’t it is still no excuse for not knowing history, here I will link you to an article by Georg Novack on Roosevelt:
http://www.marxists.org/archive/novack/1940/05/autopsy.htm
You think you are saying something VP but you are falling into the oldest trick.
Obama is proud to announce that he gets his economic advice from Warren Buffet, and that he thinks Jerusalem should be the UNDIVIDED CAPITAL OF ISRAEL, which makes him tot he right of GWB.
Obama has already ordered bombing raids on Pakistan.
If the Republicans lost legitimacy then fine, but the harmful thing is to aid the Democrats in coming in to establish a new hegemony and clean up the mess with minimum disruption. This is obviously Obama’s aim.
tcd said,
February 8, 2009 at 4:19 pm
“backing the use of unionised labour for federal construction prjects”
US trade unions are starting from a very low base, and Obama and Hillarry both stated in their campaigns that they need to be built up (obviously only to a certain extent) to reinvigorate the economy.
Why?
Because the discrepancy between wages and profit, and the replacement of wage rises (stagnant since the 1970s) with credit, was unsustainable and caused the current crisis.
So to challenge vested interests and get American capitalism back on its feet there needs to be a certain amount of relevelling of wages and profit, making sure that a greater portion of surplus value flows back into the “real economy” to be spent by workers and middle classes on consumption rather than on financial speculation. Unions are a mechanism to acheive this.
This is no more than the building up of the internal market (Obama has already started the “buy American” campaign, banning the buying of foreign steel for federal construction projects, euphorically supported by the steel workers union bureaucrat Leo Gerard, who obviously does not care about the effects on other countries steel workers).
Those of us from banana republics are quite used to this kind of disgusting populist hypocrisy which is only there to soften the working class up for defeat and has only acheived this in every case. It is sad to see though that weak keynesian measures by bourgeois governemnts manage to excite “socialists” in developed countries so much,
voltairespriest said,
February 8, 2009 at 4:24 pm
Obama was “brought in” by whom exactly, dude? Why, by 69,456,897 US voters, to be precise.
To be honest, it’s totally crude and slip-shod thinking to have an analysis of capitalism whioh boils down to a group of top-hatted barons sitting physically down together saying “Ahaaahaaha, how shall we keep power today, gentlemen? Perhaps install that black fellow in the White House?”… that really isn’t how it works.
Capitalism didn’t “install” Obama, he was elected as a leader by ordinary people. He is a liberal-democratic politician who has never pretended to be a Marxist or anti-capitalist of any kind, but who is nevertheless quite clearly (to all but the most politically myopic) of a qualitatively different political viewpoint to George Bush. Actually it seems to me that this is all you’ve really come up with, once you remove the theatrical r-r-r-revolutionary trappings from your statements. It’s you who are not really saying very much, to be honest.
Furthermore, Pilger doesnt launch from the “dark power” comment (it’s singular, not plural) into a rage against the capitalist machine – he instead goes into a rant about Zionists. I think you need to recognise the difference.
As for Obama’s comments about Jerusalem – file that under the same heading as Clinton’s statement about Iran: “stupid things people say in the course of primary campaigns”. I would think that was obvious to even the most politically naive observer.
tcd said,
February 8, 2009 at 5:24 pm
“To be honest, it’s totally crude and slip-shod thinking to have an analysis of capitalism whioh boils down to a group of top-hatted barons sitting physically down together saying “Ahaaahaaha, how shall we keep power today, gentlemen? Perhaps install that black fellow in the White House?”… that really isn’t how it works.
Capitalism didn’t “install” Obama, he was elected as a leader by ordinary people.”
He was elected from a choice of the two offered to them by finance and industrial capital, yes. Nobody denied this.
“Actually it seems to me that this is all you’ve really come up with, once you remove the theatrical r-r-r-revolutionary trappings from your statements. It’s you who are not really saying very much, to be honest.”
What is r-r-r-revolutionary? I have read it before but don’t know what it means. I guess it means “ultraleft”, in which case you do not know what you are talking about because my criticisms of Obama are not even revolutionary, let alone r-r-r-r-revolutionary, they are simply criticisms that anyone who believes in leftwing politics or opposes the US empire would make, and are very moderate.
So to repeat, what I am saying is this, which is neither ultraleft nor do you need to be a marxist to agree:
tcd said,
February 8, 2009 at 4:19 pm
“backing the use of unionised labour for federal construction prjects”
US trade unions are starting from a very low base, and Obama and Hillarry both stated in their campaigns that they need to be built up (obviously only to a certain extent) to reinvigorate the economy.
Why?
Because the discrepancy between wages and profit, and the replacement of wage rises (stagnant since the 1970s) with credit, was unsustainable and caused the current crisis.
So to challenge vested interests and get American capitalism back on its feet there needs to be a certain amount of relevelling of wages and profit, making sure that a greater portion of surplus value flows back into the “real economy” to be spent by workers and middle classes on consumption rather than on financial speculation. Unions are a mechanism to acheive this.
This is no more than the building up of the internal market
voltairespriest said,
February 8, 2009 at 6:23 pm
He was elected from a choice of the two offered to them by finance and industrial capital, yes. Nobody denied this.
Errm, no. He was nominated following what (in a bourgeois democracy) was a tremendously exhaustive series of primary elections and caucuses, in some of which Obama’s primary vote outstripped Kerry’s general election vote in 2004. There were also third parties on the ballot in most states (some reasonable, some bat-shit), for which people could vote if they so wished. Whatever the deficiencies of the two main parties, this was a pretty normal bourgeois-democratic election and neither candidate was imposed on the electorate by a cabal. In fact it’s arguable that the US primary system is more participatory and inclusive then the electoral processes of most Western nations.
There’s a tendency amongst certain rather crude socialists to believe that if only the working class were no longer deluded by the fiendish capitalists, then it would simply embrace socialism as something obviously in its own self-interest. Similarly, there are those who believe that the only reason “the class” don’t back us is because they’re somehow remote-controlled by capital into not doing so, That’s also not accurate.
The reality is that people don’t automatically turn to socialists for a huge number of reasons – one of which is that the left in the west is historically quite dreadful at selling its own politics. It is for us to convince people, not for them to come to us.
What is r-r-r-revolutionary? I have read it before but don’t know what it means. I guess it means “ultraleft”, in which case you do not know what you are talking about because my criticisms of Obama are not even revolutionary, let alone r-r-r-r-revolutionary
I already said what I meant. You’re making statements of the patently obvious, dressed in Marxist language. In fact it’s that ability to make the banal sound ultra-left that I would say is the very definition of r-r-r-revolutionary. Nobody, least of all Obama is pretending that he is a socialist, however the idea that his administration represents no qualitative break from the Bush years is quite simply a nonsense.
The join-the-dots Marxist economics underneath is neither here nor there. A strengthening labour movement gains its own agency.
maxdunbar said,
February 8, 2009 at 8:52 pm
And one more point – Obama will never have any credibility with the silly left as long as he shows any support for Israel.
tcd said,
February 8, 2009 at 9:37 pm
“Errm, no. He was nominated following what (in a bourgeois democracy) was a tremendously exhaustive series of primary elections and caucuses, in some of which Obama’s primary vote outstripped Kerry’s general election vote in 2004. There were also third parties on the ballot in most states (some reasonable, some bat-shit), for which people could vote if they so wished. Whatever the deficiencies of the two main parties, this was a pretty normal bourgeois-democratic election and neither candidate was imposed on the electorate by a cabal. In fact it’s arguable that the US primary system is more participatory and inclusive then the electoral processes of most Western nations.”
But success in these primaries depends on funding, as any Us politician knows, and therefore nobody who does not represent the agenda of the US finance-industrial complex has a chance. Seeing as you rightly say that Obama has never pretended to be anti-acpitalist (i.e. he is pro-capitalist, i.e. he represents the agenda of the same capitalists who paid for hsi rise), I do not see what we are arguing about.
“There’s a tendency amongst certain rather crude socialists to believe that if only the working class were no longer deluded by the fiendish capitalists, then it would simply embrace socialism as something obviously in its own self-interest. Similarly, there are those who believe that the only reason “the class” don’t back us is because they’re somehow remote-controlled by capital into not doing so, That’s also not accurate.
The reality is that people don’t automatically turn to socialists for a huge number of reasons – one of which is that the left in the west is historically quite dreadful at selling its own politics. It is for us to convince people, not for them to come to us.”
I don’t care about your vague conjouired up “tendencies”, none of this deals with anything I said, I think your style of argument if called vulgarisation to the point of absurdity.
I do not think a communist party can exist until it has grouped the working class vanguard together, united it with a political programme, and forged an organisation capable of challenging for the leadership of the class. This is a long process, and took the Bolsheviks 2 decades. So what you say about “the left” I do not agree with, the trouble is not about “selling”, but about construction of a party.
To turn your back on the workers to the left of Obama in order to gain favour with mass sentiment is to do exactly what “the left” always does, from Spain under Largo Caballero to Venezuela under Chavez. Most manage more sophisticated arguments for this practice than you though.
tcd said,
February 8, 2009 at 9:40 pm
“And one more point – Obama will never have any credibility with the silly left as long as he shows any support for Israel.”
Or with the silly Palestinians.
Jim Denham said,
February 8, 2009 at 10:44 pm
tcd: it’s quite possible to support the Palestinians’ right to a state…AND Israel’s right to exist. In fact the one follows from the other. Unfortunately the British left, Pilger being a classic example, increasingly denies Israel’s right to exist even behind pre-1967 borders. This “left” is, politically, though not personally, anti-semitic amd has adopted the politics of (at best) Arab nationalism and/or (at worst) Islamism.
voltairespriest said,
February 8, 2009 at 11:43 pm
But success in these primaries depends on funding, as any Us politician knows, and therefore nobody who does not represent the agenda of the US finance-industrial complex has a chance. Seeing as you rightly say that Obama has never pretended to be anti-acpitalist (i.e. he is pro-capitalist, i.e. he represents the agenda of the same capitalists who paid for hsi rise), I do not see what we are arguing about.
Why didn’t Obama’s money run out during the primaries, tcd? Further, why were most of his wins in the caususes which rely on people debating out the issues all day? Not because they’ were all paid agents of Sillicon Valley Democrat companies, as the most basic research would make clear. Frankly, I don’t think you really get it, on the most basic level, about how these processes work. And yes that is because you are ultra-left and working to a pre-prescribed set of theses which you then try to fit around a reality that does not accord with them.
I don’t care about your vague conjouired up “tendencies”, none of this deals with anything I said, I think your style of argument if called vulgarisation to the point of absurdity.
Actually it did deal with it: your arguments are crude stereotypes of Marxism. And the term you’re reaching for is reductio ad absurdum.
I do not think a communist party can exist until it has grouped the working class vanguard together, united it with a political programme, and forged an organisation capable of challenging for the leadership of the class. This is a long process, and took the Bolsheviks 2 decades. So what you say about “the left” I do not agree with, the trouble is not about “selling”, but about construction of a party.
Abstract formulas do not a programme make – a common problem with left-wing Savonarolas. You have to actually talk to working-class people, be a part of the class, in order to realise where they are and engage them with socialist ideas. Walking into a factory and saying “behold stout yeoman – I have a political programme for thee!” will attract nothing more (and deserve nothing more) than ribald laughter.
You have to do better than that.
tcd said,
February 9, 2009 at 12:15 am
“Abstract formulas do not a programme make – a common problem with left-wing Savonarolas. You have to actually talk to working-class people, be a part of the class, in order to realise where they are and engage them with socialist ideas. Walking into a factory and saying “behold stout yeoman – I have a political programme for thee!” will attract nothing more (and deserve nothing more) than ribald laughter.”
I can assure you I have been in many more factories and strikes than you, as we discussed another time.
voltairespriest said,
February 9, 2009 at 12:33 am
Well you didn’t learn very much then, did you?
tcd said,
February 9, 2009 at 1:24 am
how would you know? only based on circular reasoning. you think the unilateral contempt with which I talk to a fraud like you is the same way I talk to workers in a factory? no. a workers earnest illusions in populists should be patiently explained against, but yours are only a conservative defence of your priveledged sectors you represent, p-p-p-progressive british petit bourgeois secular liberals, zionists, and bureaucrats.
Therefore, I am hardly going to try to charm you, Herr Duhring, because unlike most workers you have extreme and unjustified auto-assurance and a sarcastic arrogant contempt for people 1000 times more learned than yourself, which makes you think you can dismiss people like John Pilger with sarcastic 1-liners. You should stop trying to be funny and learn some respect.
voltairespriest said,
February 9, 2009 at 2:34 am
Allow me to pick myself up from the floor after I stop laughing. You’ve said you live in a “banana republic”. I’m certain (even allowing for the fact that you don’t live in “the west”) that your description is either unintentionally misleading or insulting to where you are, depending on how one views you. Don’t play the third-worldist hero with me, it doesn’t wash. I don’t think you’re writing from somewhere which could even vaguely legitimately be described in such a derisory manner, and I don’t think you really believe that description either. Banana republics don’t have heavy industry, hence the name…
And don’t expect me to take you seriously whilst you sit there playing the preacher. Classic case of someone who can dish it out but can’t take it, methinks.
PS – “Herr Duhring”? Do you read normal books? A better parody of a British fop would be something from PG Wodehouse
maxdunbar said,
February 9, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Shorter TCD
1) I live in an unspecified third world nation!
2) I’ve been on more demos than you!
3) So shut up!
4) Er….
5)… That’s it.
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