The attempted murder of Marxism
“In this way rose feudal socialism: half lamentation, half lampoon; half echo of the past, half menace of the future; at times, by its bitter, witty and incisive criticism, striking the bourgeoisie to the very heart’s core; but always ludicrous in its effect, through total incapacity to comprehend the march of modern history” - K. Marx & F. Engels, 1848.
At Last! Someone’s bothered to review Lenny “Tombstone” Seymour’s extended postgrad thesis The Liberal Defence of Murder (Verso, £16.99).
And what a splendid review it is, too: Little Seymour is, we’re told, “an instinctive academic – who thankfully can write nearly as well as Noam Chomsky” (!!!) C’mon, be fair: try reading Seymour’s turgid and self-righteous blog: Chomsky doesn’t deserve that comparison, whatever we might think of him.
Pity, really for a would-be “Trotskyist” (assuming Seymour still considers himself part of that tradition) that this adulation comes from the Stalinist rag, the Morning Star.
And what the Stalinists really liked about Seymour’s attempt to join the big intellekshalls he so admires, is his attack on the Enlightenment: “He shows that many of the greatest Enlightenment thinkers, such as John Locke, believed that ‘savages’ in faraway lands that just happened to be resource-rich, should be excluded from the emancipation of humanity -which should itself bow down before the concept of private property.”
This ahistorical drivel is, of course a fundamental attack on the method of another product of the Enlightenment: Karl Marx. But Seymour and his SWP (“non-registered”) pals long ago parted company with him, of course.
PS: The Priest has offered to review Seymour’s masterwork, but only if he gets a free copy. He’s buggered if he’s going to pay good money for it.
KB Player said,
January 16, 2009 at 10:46 pm
This excellent repository of socialist polemic, discussion, information and pithy humour and readiness to delete opposing viewsis always worth a read if you are an insomniac.
resistor said,
January 17, 2009 at 1:41 am
Denham proves that his inability to write (‘beyond the pail (sic)’ ha ha ha) is matched by his inability to read. He does nothing to dispel the drummer stereotype.
But it’s nice to find someone who thinks that Marx had the last word on everything in 1848 – ahistorical drivel indeed!
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Rob said,
January 17, 2009 at 12:40 pm
Wait, so Jim, you think Marx just unproblematically embraced the Enlightenment?
Jim Denham said,
January 17, 2009 at 1:18 pm
No I don’t, Rob: that’s why I used the words “product of the Enlightenment.” The link to Cyril Smith’s piece that I provide in the posting is a good overview of the complex (dare I say dialetical) relationship between Marx and the Enlightenment. But to simply write it off (as little Seymour seems to do – though I haven’t read his book) as simply a manifestation of racism and imperialism is, indeed, anti-Marxist and ahistoric.
Rob said,
January 17, 2009 at 2:00 pm
Having not read the book I can’t comment, although I don’t see why pointing out the racism of enlightenment thinkers means rejecting the enlightenment altogether. It’s a pretty common move of Marxism to point out that enlightenment universalism is undermined (and perhaps even premised on) by its exclusion (i.e. that it universalised the interests of a particular group). Indeed, the procedure strikes me as exactly what Marx does when he punctures the universalism of capitalism (and its promoters) by pointing out that it depends on (1) primitive accumulation (which by virtue of its connection to colonialism often generated racism) and (2) its continuous expropriation of the working class.
maxdunbar said,
January 17, 2009 at 2:02 pm
‘And what a splendid review it is, too: Little Seymour is, we’re told, “an instinctive academic – who thankfully can write nearly as well as Noam Chomsky” (!!!) C’mon, be fair: try reading Seymour’s turgid and self-righteous blog: Chomsky doesn’t deserve that comparison, whatever we might think of him.’
Chomsky is a really bad, impenetrable writer. Lenin is even worse. I find it hard to read past one para on his site. The eye just rebels.
He’s like the novelist in Martin Amis’s The Information: ‘If you had to come up with a one-word description of his stuff you would almost certainly choose ‘unreadable’.’
‘And what the Stalinists really liked about Seymour’s attempt to join the big intellekshalls he so admires, is his attack on the Enlightenment: “He shows that many of the greatest Enlightenment thinkers, such as John Locke, believed that ’savages’ in faraway lands that just happened to be resource-rich, should be excluded from the emancipation of humanity -which should itself bow down before the concept of private property.”’
If this is really what Seymour wrote then that is pretty dense considering the contributions made to Enlightenment thought and scientific progress by ‘non-civilised’ nations. This is a point Seymour even acknowledges in his review of his boss’s book ‘A People’s History of the World’ (subtitle: How the SWP Invented Fire’).
Having said that, I haven’t read Seymour’s book. Like Voltaire, I am interested in getting a copy but am fucked if I’m going to fund his bullshit.
Perhaps that’s why there have been almost no reviews in the blogosphere – in these hard economic times people don’t want to spend £15 on bullshit.
Jim Denham said,
January 17, 2009 at 2:06 pm
Like you, Rob, I have not read the book (and, frankly, have little or no intention of doing so: life’s too short): but I *have* read Seymour’s drivel at his appropriately-named “Tomb”: I think it is a fair bet to predict that his book does not take the nuanced view that you do. He really *does* seem to reject the Enlightenment in it’s entirety as simply “western” racism and imperialism. It is but a small step to rejecting Marxism on exactly the same basis.
next said,
January 17, 2009 at 2:30 pm
Hahahahhah this is sooo funny hahhah my sides are splitting hahaha
Jim Denham said,
January 17, 2009 at 2:50 pm
Glad we provide you with some amusement, “next”: more than Little Seymour has ever done for me.
KB Player said,
January 17, 2009 at 7:17 pm
Resistor’s ability as a critic of language is well documented here:-
http://www.butterfliesandwheels.com/notes.php?previousmonth=yes&mon=12&yea=2008&da=02%20-
4.12.08
The thread was about Ophelia Benson and Jeremy Stangroom’s new book, Does God Hate Women? Here is resistor’s contribution to the discussion:-
How can God hate women when he doesn’t exist?
What next, Mr Punch Wife Killer?
resistor
Oh, jeezis, ‘resistor’ – how thick can you get?
You are literally the first person who has ever asked such a fatuous question. Even people who hate the whole idea understand the title.
OB
God does not exists as a person. You are talking about a human construct. The question is why do women suffer in human society, to blame a non-existent god, now that is fatuous.
resistor
Yes of course we’re talking about a human construct. That’s the point. You’re literally the first person stupid enough to fail to get that.
OB
An example of being beyond the pale when it comes to comprehension of the English language?
Waterloo Sunset said,
January 17, 2009 at 7:26 pm
You do realise that if we all pretend Resistor doesn’t exist he’ll probably go and annoy a different blog? Just sayin’…
KB Player said,
January 17, 2009 at 7:36 pm
That’s my usual policy, Waterloo, with him or any other troll. But reading him in his role of language critic pushed me over the edge.
Actually, my theory about the “r” person is that he is johng’s unemployable younger brother who goes around the threads with his abusive and off the point trolling so that johng will appear a scrupulous debater by comparison.
Waterloo Sunset said,
January 17, 2009 at 8:04 pm
Actually, I’ve found a way to make him more tolerable. Read all his posts in the voice of Eric Cartman. They’re far more fun that way.
KB Player said,
January 17, 2009 at 8:08 pm
LOL!
Sue R said,
January 17, 2009 at 10:48 pm
Could be that ‘resistor’ doesn’t exist, he’s only a ‘human construct’. Or, maybe he’s God’s revenge on the world. Just saying like …
KB Player said,
January 17, 2009 at 10:52 pm
Hey, what has the world done to bring down God’s wrath in such a monstrous form! Sackcloth and ashes, everyone.
SSDO said,
January 17, 2009 at 11:02 pm
The trouble with Richard is that his philosophical viewpoint is overtly postmodernist rather than Marxist. In my young day, that would have been enough to have gotten him thrown out of most Trot groups. Standards are clearly slipping.
Mind you, it seems that he is among the bookies’ early favourites for this year’s Orwell Prize for political blogging, which i worth £3,000:
Lenin’s Tomb (which has a number of contributors) self-deprecatingly tells its readers that its ‘content is erratic, syncopated by the intrusions of daily life, random interests, monomania, narcissism and booz’. Well if it is, then it is also germane, pointed, scathing and often angry. Lenin himself (Richard Seymour) has recently been dissecting the reports from Gaza about Israel’s ground assault – see his searing attack on Israel’s defence of its bombing of Al-Fakhura school on 6th January.
http://www.mediastandardstrust.org/medianews/blogs/blogdetails.aspx?sid=28209
SSDO said,
January 17, 2009 at 11:54 pm
It’s just occured to me that he probably hates Orwell as the granddaddy of the Decent Left. He definitely shouldn’t get the money!
Rob said,
January 18, 2009 at 12:10 am
I think he actually would defend Orwell against his (mis)appropriation by the ‘decents’.
Waterloo Sunset said,
January 18, 2009 at 12:15 am
Rob has a point. It’s notable how the decents never quote directly from Homage to Catalonia. Particuarly all that ‘difficult’ stuff about naturally siding with the worker against the policeman.
resistor said,
January 18, 2009 at 1:10 am
My point was the title, ‘Does God Hate Women? ‘ could have been, Do Men Hate Women?’ – now that’s an interesting angle as I’m sure we all agre that men exist, examples of which are famous misogynists such as Christopher Hitchens and .Martin Amis. Can you imagine Karl Marx writing a book entitled, ‘Does God Hate Women?’.
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1) What was the married name of the scientists Marie and Pierre who won the Noble Prize in 1903 for their research into radiation?
2) Cockpit Country is a rugged, inaccessible area on which Caribbean island?
3) Which fortress was built in the 1370s to defend one of the gates of Paris and was later used as a prison by Cardinal Richelieu?
4) In February 2008, which Tottenham Hotspur player scored the first goal of Fabio Capello’s reign as England football manager?
5) James Gandofini played a Mafia boss called Tony in which American television series?
6) What name is used for the highest gallery of seats in a theatre?
7) Which American military award is given to those wounded in action and bears the inscription for military merit on the reverse?
Which variety of blue, English cheese traditionally accompanies port?
9) In 2006, Sandy Tocsvig replaced Simon Hoggart as the presenter of which topical Radio 4 quiz show?
10) Who acceded to the English throne at the age of 9 on the death of his father henry VIII in 1547?
11) In chemistry, what French word is used for a tube for transferring measured amounts of liquids?
12) Which country’s so-called Rose Revolution of 2003 led to the resignation of its president Edward Shevardnadze?
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1) CURIE – Lammy: ANTOINETTE!
2) JAMAICA – Lammy: PASS
3) The Bastille – Lammy: VERSAILLES
4) JERMAIN JENAS – Lammy (MP for Tottenham): AARON LENNON
5) THE SOPRANOS – Lammy: THE GODFATHER
6) THE GODS – Lammy: PASS
7) PURPLE HEART – Lammy: PASS
8) STILTON – Lammy: LEICESTER
9) NEWSQUIZ – Lammy: PASS
10) EDWARD VI – Lammy: HENRY VII
11) PIPETTE – Lammy: PASS
12) GEORGIA – Lammy: YUGOSLAVIA
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Waterloo Sunset said,
January 18, 2009 at 1:26 am
Did anybody hear anything? Nah, me neither.
KB Player said,
January 18, 2009 at 10:25 am
LOL again Waterloo.
BTW, like your moniker. It’s one of my favourite songs.
maxdunbar said,
January 18, 2009 at 12:40 pm
Was there any point in comment 22 being posted?
charliethechulo said,
January 18, 2009 at 6:06 pm
No: he’s mad and an anti-semite. But to ban him would just be to add to his sense of victimhood. Let him rant.
johng said,
February 15, 2009 at 5:09 pm
Jim Denham seems to believe that Marx was a fan of Locke.